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Zombie0915




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ok, this is probably a bad idea, but I will bring up, for the sake of argument, an example of a deity that does not care about humans, and why it is worshipped.



Cthulhu

Go ahead and google him if you aren't already acquainted, but chances are most everyone knows about him. Cthulhu doesn't demand worship, doesn't protect or nurture humans in any way, in general doesn't give a shit, but has cultists following him the world over. There is so much art depicting this monster it is ridiculous, I have a small idol of him on my coffee table myself, not to mention a row of HP Lovecraft books on my shelf behind my head right now.

The fictional doctrine of the cthulhu cult was pretty simple, worship him and perform sick twisted rituals on his behalf, and he might not devour you right away. Most people don't worship cthulhu because of that reason though, most do it because he is quite possibly the coolest horror monster ever.

I will confess Lovecraft was a partial inspiration for this whole view on gods who have no concern for human morality. There are plenty of other gods like that though, Zeus didn't tell you to be good, he changed into a bunch of different animals and raped a bunch of mortals and bred a bunch of conquerors, wtf was the point of worshiping Zeus (I know this is like a horrendous abbreviation of all the shit we know about Zeus but its rhetorical). I depart from Lovecraft's vision a bit in that I have included principles that are intended to provide comfort to people and allow them this modular god structure as a coping mechanism which has been for too long a taboo thing from the view of faithful and faithless alike, whereas Lovecraft's system is just meant to scare the shit out of people.

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the statement that “you cannot prove a negative” is simply false. On the surface, it seems to be true: if Person A says “I think God exists” and Person B says “I don’t think God exists,” it’s pretty clear that Person B is going to have a hard time proving that there isn’t a God. However, if you look a little closer, it actually depends on the nature of the negative statement being made. Here are some negative statements that can be proven very easily:

Five is not equal to four
The ancient Egyptians did not watch Seinfeld
The tsetse fly is not native to North America

Clearly, it’s possible to prove a negative statement. The real problem here is clearly the nature of the positive statement being refuted. When a person asserts that God exists, he does not specify the nature of God – that is, is God small, large, blue, red? And where is he? Of course it is not possible to prove that God does not exist, if “God” is a thing that has no definition, no characteristics, and no location. In fact, you can prove just about any kind of negative you can think of – except for (surprise!) the non-existence of mystical beings. When you get right down to it, the statement “you cannot prove a negative” is really just a different way of saying “You can’t prove me wrong because I don’t even know what I’m talking about.”

Logical statements have to abide by certain rules and restrictions. In order for a statement to be logical, it must be falsifiable, which means that it has to be presented in such a way that it could be proven incorrect. A statement is not logical if it cannot be tested to make sure it is true. The existence of God is not a logical question at all, and is therefore nonsensical. Of course you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist – no one even knows what God is supposed to be
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Nonetheless the burden of proof is on the person making a positive assertion. The a priori position is that nothing exists in the absence of evidence to the contrary.


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