I'm saying that people these days are too caught up in making things sound perfect when they should be trying to take risks and be more original.

you can take risks and sound perfect.

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I agree. But if you had to decide between a technially perfect yet standard set, or a less than perfect but daring set which would you choose?

Which djs do you think take the most risks?

Yes, and if you do it you will get banned.

No, srsly, if you think that helps, go for it. I'd think you'd be much better of just counting the BPM on each track. Seems like too much work.

Or you could, god forbid, learn to beatmatch, makes things much more easier. That way you know that if something should be wrong, you can still mix.

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Originally posted by Tangil I agree. But if you had to decide between a technially perfect yet standard set, or a less than perfect but daring set which would you choose? Which djs do you think take the most risks?

define daring please.

the way i see it 2 djs can do the exact same thing.

one pulls it off perfectly (lets say 3 decks for example)

the other one is rough around the edges. Do you say the one that is rough around the edges is more "daring" because he is not as skilled as the dj who did it perfectly?

I mix with 3 decks a lot, and when i record and fuck up with 3 decks, no one ever hears that recording because i know i can do better.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister You don't feel the music when you don't beatmatch. To be honest you could put a set together having never even heard any of the tunes you were mixing if the beatmatching was done for you. ... lots of true thing

I'm not saying that your do not have to listen to your song before putting it, but the act of beatmatch is useless. It take me 15-30 sec to get a song perfectly beatmatch, but i let the song continu more to check how it will sound (if i dont know the song).

In a front of a crowd (which is not totaly high), you can't let a song alone during 80% of it times, cause people will get bored.
There is a huge difference between mixing in your room and in front of people which didnt come to listen to you, but to move their ass.
A lot of people forget in mix that they are here to make people move and not to play what they want to play.

The less time you used to beatmatch, the more time you have to play with clubbers, and better dj you are.

Cause at the end, the only thing that count is to make people happy.

I'm not telling that beatmatch is not important, but when you know how to do it, you know how to play a set, then the time you spent on beatmatch is wasted time.

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Originally posted by notelfreak define daring please. the way i see it 2 djs can do the exact same thing. one pulls it off perfectly (lets say 3 decks for example) the other one is rough around the edges. Do you say the one that is rough around the edges is more "daring" because he is not as skilled as the dj who did it perfectly? I mix with 3 decks a lot, and when i record and fuck up with 3 decks, no one ever hears that recording because i know i can do better.

hells ya, i can do a "daring" set and pull it off perfectly

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yea, you could play a bunch of songs that you've never heard before and were warped or beatlocked

will it be perfectly beatmatched? yes

will it flow? no

the act of beatmatching allows you to see if the songs themselves will go together

i've changed my mind last minute so many times to switch to a track that will flow better

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Daring as in unpredictability, changing up genres, 3 deck mixing, tricks etc.

I see what you're saying and I agree that any risky move should be able to be pulled off perfectly with enough practice. Of course the 'rough' one isn't as good. I'm just saying a 'rough' one is better than nothing.

Maybe I'm confusing this with eclectic dj's versus pretty much one genre dj's. I just think in the span of 4 hours John Digweed should take a risk and play something the crowd is not expecting to hear.

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Originally posted by Rippey64 I'm not saying that your do not have to listen to your song before putting it, but the act of beatmatch is useless. It take me 15-30 sec to get a song perfectly beatmatch, but i let the song continu more to check how it will sound (if i dont know the song). In a front of a crowd (which is not totaly high), you can't let a song alone during 80% of it times, cause people will get bored. There is a huge difference between mixing in your room and in front of people which didnt come to listen to you, but to move their ass. A lot of people forget in mix that they are here to make people move and not to play what they want to play. The less time you used to beatmatch, the more time you have to play with clubbers, and better dj you are. Cause at the end, the only thing that count is to make people happy. I'm not telling that beatmatch is not important, but when you know how to do it, you know how to play a set, then the time you spent on beatmatch is wasted time.

funny, i can pretty much drop a track in now on the first beat and make slight correction and it is beatmatched (cdj for sure, with records i have to ride the pitch but it works). 5 seconds tops, its called practice

tangil, what do you listen to...if it is what i play i could show you a few risky sets I like to pride myself (although since it is live on hardware there might be a slight kink) that people can't really tell when i have 3 tracks going

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Originally posted by notelfreak funny, i can pretty much drop a track in now on the first beat and make slight correction and it is beatmatched (cdj for sure, with records i have to ride the pitch but it works). 5 seconds tops, its called practice tangil, what do you listen to...if it is what i play i could show you a few risky sets I like to pride myself (although since it is live on hardware there might be a slight kink) that people can't really tell when i have 3 tracks going

I'm still amazed by the moment in "Bienvenue au Freak Show" where you play the Brothers Vibe acapella over a good 5 tracks, bringing them in and out. Not only a technical feat, but also a creative one.

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thanks man

djing is not so much a natural skill as it is about practice. I don't think i am the best in the world, but after many months(years) of bad oral hygiene and raping records in my underwear i would like to think i have it down


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