Wow, this is amazing to me, especially if gazelles is, as I suspect, also a woman.

We all know what we should not do. We all know what we should do to protect ourselves from being hurt or abused.

However, ladies, no matter how stupid we are and this is very important, it is never ever okay to hurt us or abuse us. It is never ever okay to do something without our consent. No matter how much we drink, how short our skirt is, how trusting we are of strangers, it is not okay, it is not justifiable, it is not excusable to rape us.

Once you start saying she shouldn't have been there, she shouldn't have worn that skirt, she shouldn't have drank so much, she shouldn't have worn that shirt...once you start saying what "she" shouldn't have done, you give "him" license and you can not ever give "him" license. Once you do, once you make it her fault instead of his, you go the wrong way in time, you take us back to where it is okay for men to be men because that's the way the are. He doesn't have license to do something we don't want him to do, regardless of what we do. Of course, we shouldn't do stupid things. Unfortunately, people do stupid things.

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Nu skal jeg betro dig min hemmelighed. Den er ganske ligetil:
kun med hjertet kan man se rigtigt. Det væsentlige er usynligt for øjet.

i agree with nou.
followed by-
rape is bad.
girl was horrifically mentally challenged.

/thread.

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Originally posted by Rose What the guy did was WRONG and he should be fucking charged. I'm not saying the guy is a saint here. He is a fucked up individual and should have not done that. But he didn't even fucking MAKE her get into the car. SHE chose to get in. Therefore she put herself into that situation.

So? How many times have you chosen to get into a car?

It doesn't matter if its a stranger or someone you know, the act of rape is separate from all of that. You have to look at it as completely divided instances.

Was it a smart decision? No. Was it a wrong decision? Yes. Did it have any baring on her after she got raped? No. She has become a victim at that point and laying blame on her is just demeaning and creating a very negative atmosphere for women who have been raped and choose not to come forward out of the fear of being demeaned for being stupid.

Going "She is a fucking moron" does nothing to help womens rights or for that matter rape victims rights in general.

There is already a horrible stigma attached to the victims of sexual abuse, molestation, and rape and being catty and spiteful about it does nothing to help catch the perpetrators or help the victims.

Chrissi, I never said he was innocent in this. He is a disgusting individual and should be punished for what he did. But she is no fucking saint either. If he would have had a gun or a weapon or something and MADE her get into the car, that is a different story. But again (for the 2184852115th time), SHE GOT IN THE CAR VOLUNTARILY. At her age she should have known better than getting into some random guys car.



Rape is never okay.




The girl is a moron for getting into a strangers car and could have prevent this.


The guy is fucked up and should get punished for his actions.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ im a failure with females...i will be the real 40 year old virgin i guarentee you

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence once you start saying what "she" shouldn't have done, you give "him" license

See, this is where you and I appear to part company.

It's a total non sequitur to suggest that the mere fact that she got what she deserved for being a complete and total idiot somehow magically justifies the behavior of the rapist.

Both the rapist and the rapee (lol, "rapee") are worthy of contempt.

Okay, Rose.

You want to play this game? You can't only play it as it suits you. If you're gonna play it, you play it. Let's commit.

1. If you get in a car with a guy you don't know, he shouldn't rape you but if he does, you asked for it.

2. If you wear a short skirt and turn some dork on, he shouldn't rape you but if he does, you asked for it.

3. If you drink too much and you're kind of out of control, the guy you're with shouldn't rape you but if he does, you asked for it.

4. If you wear one of those tops that shows nice titties and um maybe tight pants, that guy at the club shouldn't rape you but if he does, you asked for it.

What else do we do wrong? I forget. But I'm sure there's more. Lemme think.

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Nu skal jeg betro dig min hemmelighed. Den er ganske ligetil:
kun med hjertet kan man se rigtigt. Det væsentlige er usynligt for øjet.

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Originally posted by Arbiter See, this is where you and I appear to part company. It's a total non sequitur to suggest that the mere fact that she got what she deserved for being a complete and total idiot somehow magically justifies the behavior of the rapist. Both the rapist and the rapee (lol, "rapee") are worthy of contempt.

Girl did stupid things. Stupid things aren't unlawful.

Guys did bad things. Bad things are unlawful.

That's as simple as I can make it.

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Nu skal jeg betro dig min hemmelighed. Den er ganske ligetil:
kun med hjertet kan man se rigtigt. Det væsentlige er usynligt for øjet.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Rose, there is never an excuse. She shouldn't have gotten in the car with a stranger becomes She shouldn't have been alone at night becomes She shouldn't have dressed like that becomes She shouldn't have such a hot body... It is never okay. Stupidity is stupidity but rape is never justifiable and is always wrong.

that's a silly way of looking at the situation. no one is saying that rape is justifiable. people are always going to do shitty things to other people. the only thing you can control are your own decisions. this girl made some stupid decisions. that doesn't mean she should have been raped, but she's still an idiot for not calling the police and riding home with them.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Girl did stupid things. Stupid things aren't unlawful. Guys did bad things. Bad things are unlawful. That's as simple as I can make it.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that she is a criminal.

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Originally posted by nefardec that's a silly way of looking at the situation. no one is saying that rape is justifiable. people are always going to do shitty things to other people. the only thing you can control are your own decisions. this girl made some stupid decisions. that doesn't mean she should have been raped, but she's still an idiot for not calling the police and riding home with them.

You know, I agree. But the last time I went to San Francisco, which is a dirty city with lots of dirty people, I got separated from my girlfriends. This was in daytime. I didn't have my cell (it broke weeks before) and I couldn't find a pay phone. It seems pay phones are no longer needed cuz every one has a cell. Haha to those of us who don't have cells, huh?

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Nu skal jeg betro dig min hemmelighed. Den er ganske ligetil:
kun med hjertet kan man se rigtigt. Det væsentlige er usynligt for øjet.

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Originally posted by nefardec that's a silly way of looking at the situation. no one is saying that rape is justifiable. people are always going to do shitty things to other people. the only thing you can control are your own decisions. this girl made some stupid decisions. that doesn't mean she should have been raped, but she's still an idiot for not calling the police and riding home with them.

This.

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Originally posted by AustralianGQ im a failure with females...i will be the real 40 year old virgin i guarentee you

pics of said girl??