You mean they still let Dean Koontz write?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You mean they still let Dean Koontz write?

I actually liked a couple of his books :/

Edit: Seize the Night, and the one before it (can't remember)

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I'm not sure what feels the worst... the impact of any emotion is entirely tied to the magnitude of same; however, I'd argue that pity is the worst of all emotions because it is entirely selfish and destructive.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

But selfishness and destruction are both ends that achieve sometimes necessary results. The worst part about pity is that it lulls the individual emoting it into an utterly false sense of conviction and blinding sanctimony; it's something you should like to elicit in your enemies, and loathe to feel, yourself.

Though I think most every emotion has a moved a mountain or two at least once.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On But selfishness and destruction are both ends that achieve sometimes necessary results. The worst part about pity is that it lulls the individual emoting it into an utterly false sense of conviction and blinding sanctimony; it's something you should like to elicit in your enemies, and loathe to feel, yourself. Though I think most every emotion has a moved a mountain or two at least once.

It's probably my compassion that makes me loathe pity so much... when one pities another the end result is that they allow the suffering of the pitied to continue indefinately by providing just enough aid to alieviate themselves of their own guilt. Ultimately, the pitier will sustain or even worsen the conditions of those that they pity. The selfishness comes in because the real goal of the one who has pity is to make themselves feel better by fooling themselves into thinking they are helping the pitied when they are just sustaining the conditions that evoked that feeling to begin with. The destructiveness of pity is that it takes away the pitied persons motivation to either improve their situation or perish under it... either option would be better then wollowing in it.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard when one pities another the end result is that they allow the suffering of the pitied to continue indefinately by providing just enough aid to alieviate themselves of their own guilt. Ultimately, the pitier will sustain or even worsen the conditions of those that they pity.

This gets my best rating ever, seven thumbs up.

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Originally posted by DuBam This gets my best rating ever, seven thumbs up.

Thanks... I'd love to take credit for that but I'm just paraphrasing Nietzsche (of course he said it in a lot more words... more elequently... and in German...).

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

I'd also like to take credit for that, but I'm just paraphrasing Homer

I don't think there's a name for this, or even if it's an emotion in its own right, but it's certainly the worst "feeling".

It's the wrenching feeling when a situation you thought was perfectly fine suddenly turns out to be completely fucked. It could be when you're in a relationship that is giving you real happiness and out of the blue that relationship is severed. For me the worst thing I ever experienced was at school, where a minor event that I had thought all-but-meaningless suddenly exploded into a situation where I was threatened with expulsion and police action.

The specifics aren't important. It's the cocktail of shock, panic and dramatic contrast in emotions that leaves you reeling. Everything you thought was okay is actually very, very wrong and you've been given no time to prepare for it whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard It's probably my compassion that makes me loathe pity so much... when one pities another the end result is that they allow the suffering of the pitied to continue indefinately by providing just enough aid to alieviate themselves of their own guilt. Ultimately, the pitier will sustain or even worsen the conditions of those that they pity. The selfishness comes in because the real goal of the one who has pity is to make themselves feel better by fooling themselves into thinking they are helping the pitied when they are just sustaining the conditions that evoked that feeling to begin with. The destructiveness of pity is that it takes away the pitied persons motivation to either improve their situation or perish under it... either option would be better then wollowing in it.

Did you read the reply I wrote to Arby?

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True that. But, wouldn't you say that pity may help we drag someone out of the condition we despise in the first place? If I feel pity for a child on the street, and not only give them food but also education and shelter, am I not helping this child out? Sure, this largely overlaps with the definition of compassion, but I think you can see where I'm coming from

We may, indeed, feel slightly superior than those we pity, but whether or not we're going to nurture this dependence in order to "be on top", instead of genuinely helping the person, does not depend on feeling pity, but what you decide to make of it. What do you think?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Thanks... I'd love to take credit for that but I'm just paraphrasing Nietzsche (of course he said it in a lot more words... more elequently... and in German...).

And with his words muffled by his big sexy moustache

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Originally posted by Lira Did you read the reply I wrote to Arby? We may, indeed, feel slightly superior than those we pity, but whether or not we're going to nurture this dependence in order to "be on top", instead of genuinely helping the person, does not depend on feeling pity, but what you decide to make of it. What do you think?

No, I didn't read the thread.

Pity doesn't move people to truly help people... compassion does. If you pity someone you don't actually care for them; rather, pity is more distain mixed with guilt. A compassionate person will truly help another another person (even if helping means doing difficult things... sometimes nothing); whereas, a person acting out of pity will do the minimum they need to in order to allieviate their guilt and make the pitied person a little less pitiful. The end result of this is that the pitied person stays stagnet in their situation... having enough to avoid death and/or the motivation to improve their lot but lacking enough to escape their regrettable lot in life.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down