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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Thank you for providing no FLPs

Once again, grow the fuck up, nobody is obligated to provide you an FLP in order to "prove" that they didn't cheat and use a piece of hardware. Simply because a response is not precisely what you asked for does not make it irrelevant either.

The only reason you really want an actual project file is because you think that seeing the exact settings is going to give you an epiphany and finally set you on the right track to making "professional" sounds. I know, because I thought the same thing 6 years ago and everybody thought the same thing in their early stages.

Some of us actually got "the answer" and realized how useless it really was. Others just worked through it in spite of the frustration. You've chosen to be a big baby about it. Don't be surprised when that's how people treat you.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Owsey - you are right on every point you make. Yes vsts can make good sounds, but there is still such a huge difference from the sound quality of more well known pros I suppose like Armada. If you wear a pair of headphones listening to Armada, then you wear a pair of headphones off tranceaddict to a "well produced" trance track, pro or w/e you would call it, you can actually hear the difference by way the woofer in the headphone tickles you ear. The bass just sounds louder, wraps around the kick like a puzzle piece, and sounds so deep and rich. It has something to do with the level of the bass I think, they bring it up so high w/out distorting anything that it the entire bass sounds deeper and fuller. This is so hard to fuckn explain gzz..

I know what you mean, however, what you just said is a result of practice. Those guys probably have years of expierience behind them, so it's no wonder they generally "sound better".

Then again, if you compare Armada artists to Tranceaddict artists, there's quite a big difference. Sure, Armada may have overall higher quality, but a lot of their music is generic and I believe that some TA artists have a lot more creativity in their work.

Anyway, my point was that the VST's aren't going to magically change. Professionals have many years behind them, which you might not, so generally they're going to know how to tweak things properly.

when i started learning to create that tyas / discover sound i would use 4 or 5 basses because i had read a post on a forum from bryan kearney i think it was, or someone like that saying they layers 4 or 5 basses on top to get their sound.

That method does work but its not needed at all, infact its worse as it adds all sorts of rubbish to your mix you didnt want.

With good EQ skills and a knowledge of your VST and the notes played through it u only need on instrument to create the bass, and another for the sub bass (although i am sure some people could do that also with just one VST).

Ive been doing this for 3 years now and the one think i picked up is less is more.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Some of us actually got "the answer" and realized how useless it really was.

100% true, i was one of those people who begged and pleaded a pro artist that i knew to send me files and things of that nature. So one day he does, I look at all the files and think to myself WTF is all this, it didnt help me at all it just confused me further i was not spending days just to figure out what the hell was going on in the project.

Ok sure, I'll give you my project file, you'll steal my synth settings, but then what? You would no idea how to use it in a song anyway. Maybe you haven't realized it yet but amazing sounds are not 2-3 insanely awesome solo sounds, what makes the track sound good is the vast amount of sounds that are mediocre when you solo them.

I used to think "trance bass" was impossible to make on virus, the halcyon on & on/PVD style kind. Then I found out I was right, it's an FM bass. a dx7 preset called "Solid Bass"

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Originally posted by Stef 100% true, i was one of those people who begged and pleaded a pro artist that i knew to send me files and things of that nature. So one day he does, I look at all the files and think to myself WTF is all this, it didnt help me at all it just confused me further i was not spending days just to figure out what the hell was going on in the project. Ok sure, I'll give you my project file, you'll steal my synth settings, but then what? You would no idea how to use it in a song anyway. Maybe you haven't realized it yet but amazing sounds are not 2-3 insanely awesome solo sounds, what makes the track sound good is the vast amount of sounds that are mediocre when you solo them.

Some sounds are so thin in the mix, they are hardly noticeable unless you really pay attention.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Then I found out I was right, it's an FM bass. a dx7 preset called "Solid Bass"

Hahah, that preset is older than I am.

I did find a very close approximation in some 3rd-party bank on my old Virus Powercore - unfortunately I can't be more specific, since after 4 years TC still hasn't come out with 64-bit drivers.

More to the point, I don't think anyone's going to deny that certain specific sounds are very difficult to make without a specific piece of hardware (or software). However, that says nothing about the "quality" of either.

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2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

i don't know if Arksun-Arisen is an Armada release,but it's on one of the ASOT cds,and Arksun's used his sytrus preset cerberasaw(or something very similar),so you can definitely produce a releasable track using vsts,just keep on trying...
cheers!

Hey Robby.. you can check out this slice of cheese and tell us how good mid bass isnt possible without hardware synths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-T61s1_5RM

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Mr. Jive - I have used 1 pos piece of hardware. But I have SEEN and HEARD other pieces so I know what they can do sonically.

You mean you know what they can do in the hands of other producers, then, since you yourself haven't used them. Do you think it's impossible that a big part of the sound difference might be put down to the person using the synth, not the synth itself?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I watched the airbase tutorial and I hate to say that sounds amateur as shit imo.

Okay, so link something that (1) you think is professional and (2) you know the producer used hardware to make the bass or mid-bass.

Because if you don't know that the sound is coming from hardware -- as opposed to merely speculating that it might be -- this thread is pretty pointless.

I and countless other producers use FL as their DAW. The DAW makes bugger all difference to the end product. I use Cubase and Reason regularly with other producers and there is no difference in the sound quality, whether it be mid basses or otherwise.

If you are struggling I suggest you try reading up on synthesis, learning one synth really well and how to exploit it to make the sounds you want rather than the sounds it comes with.

Posting flp files isn't going to really help you as different basslines work differently with different bassdrums and percussion.

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