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Originally posted by malek Look at this brain washed bozo, and why aren't cars sustainable??? It's been like that for a 100 years, and it will stay the same until we discover teleportation or something as ubiquitous as the car. Don't give me the crap about depleted oil, because cars will still run on other forms of energy, it's already happening.

dont worry the electric car will be evil too. As will electric buses and whatever else they come out with.

I think some people wont be happy until we are back in the cave man days. Or even extinct.

I like the people who advocate that we should have fewer people on earth. I always reply with, "should we start with you then?" LOL

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Originally posted by Jayx1 dont worry the electric car will be evil too. As will electric buses and whatever else they come out with. I think some people wont be happy until we are back in the cave man days. Or even extinct. I like the people who advocate that we should have fewer people on earth. I always reply with, "should we start with you then?" LOL

These people should be the first to go back to caves and see how long they'll survive without modern health and sanitation, fresh produce and clean tap water!!!

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Originally posted by feelgood All it takes is for a side mirror to just tap the elbow of a cyclist and then shit hits the fan.

Bingo...clueless cabbie at 6:30 a.m., side mirror meet handlebar, lucky it wasn't worse.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Most major downtown roads should be one way and then MAYBE a bike lane would fit in

Did you hear about that idea to change Richmond and Adelaide into 2-way streets to, I shit you not, "improve traffic flow in Toronto"

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Originally posted by malek These people should be the first to go back to caves and see how long they'll survive without modern health and sanitation, fresh produce and clean tap water!!!

I love camping

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Did you hear about that idea to change Richmond and Adelaide into 2-way streets to, I shit you not, "improve traffic flow in Toronto"

Another Adam Vaughan initiative!

I believe his idea is to "make the neighbourhood more like a community rather than an expressway" or something like that.

What douchebags!

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I fucking hate the cyclists as well! They ride around not really obeying any laws at all. I love driving so close to the curb so they cant get past me..lol...i know i am an asshole, but they should obey the rules of the road..

And what do I do if too many cars are being assholes and not giving me enough space to cycle safely? I move far enough in to the lane to force them to do a full pass around me - which is perfectly legal to do. I rarely do this - but some times it is needed.

I'm a cyclist - and do my best to follow the rules of the road. I don't go on sidewalks, I don't go the wrong-way down streets, I stop at all stop signs, signal when changing lanes, check blind spots / etc.

I do think that cycling laws should be enforced much stronger than they currently are, especially in high-traffic locations. I see allot of cyclists that bike like total assholes and they piss me off also - but to say 'all cyclists' is too broad of a generalization.

Yes, there are a lot of dumb asses on bikes - but there are also dumb asses in cars, and dumb asses who walk. Its the dumb-asses who get noticed the most because they are the ones causing you a problem - but for every dumb ass, there are far more people not being a dumb-ass.

Going as far as licensing / safety vests and mandatory helmets just seems overly extreme, and will just encourage more people back into the cars or onto public transit.

And really, unless this gets passed country-wide, how easy is it going to be enforced? What if you came up from Niagara on the GO and biking around Toronto? Or a tourist from the states?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 If a car stops close to the curb you need to stop behind it and wait your turn. IMO its lucky that bikes can go up the side of a car in the first place. Motorbikes cant!

Likewise - if you a car pulling up to a cyclist that was there first, don't squeeze them out of the curb.

I'll frequently sit behind a car turning right if it was there first and there is not enough room, but there have been many times a car has come up behind me and nearly hit me as it tried to squeeze past.

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Originally posted by kaniz Likewise - if you a car pulling up to a cyclist that was there first, don't squeeze them out of the curb. I'll frequently sit behind a car turning right if it was there first and there is not enough room, but there have been many times a car has come up behind me and nearly hit me as it tried to squeeze past.

agreed especially if im turning right the bike goes first. I tend to treat bikes like another car unless there is a lot of room to go around them and im going straight. But thats why i tend to almost hit them often, because they dont act like regular vehicles most of the time.

For example, 4 way stop and i see a bike coming. He better stop like a car would because im going to go through once ive stopped. How many bicyclists get freaked out when they suddenly have to stop while blowing through a 4 way expecting me to wait for them?

But thats the problem.. often times motorists are enablers and let them get away with it

Without reading all 5 pages of thread, I will say I am 100% for cyclists having to be licensed to ride on the streets. I drive a motorcycle and share lanes with bikers on a regular basis. Being honest 75% of these cyclists don't follow any rules of roads. Constantly coasting through red lights, cutting off cars to over-take lanes, and lane splitting to get to the front of the line at stop lights. I think if you want the right to share the road with cars, bikes, trucks etc, you have to follow the same rules and if you don't you should be fined first then have your property suspended or taken away.

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Originally posted by beatjunkie Without reading all 5 pages of thread, I will say I am 100% for cyclists having to be licensed to ride on the streets. I drive a motorcycle and share lanes with bikers on a regular basis. Being honest 75% of these cyclists don't follow any rules of roads. Constantly coasting through red lights, cutting off cars to over-take lanes, and lane splitting to get to the front of the line at stop lights. I think if you want the right to share the road with cars, bikes, trucks etc, you have to follow the same rules and if you don't you should be fined first then have your property suspended or taken away.

Go read the 5 pages... maybe youll have a different conclusion after you are done reading

Just did and I'm still for the licensing of cyclists. They have to start being accountable for some of the stupid shit they pull in traffic and if fining or licensing will help I'm all for it.
I hate to paint all cyclists with the same brush but if you're not doing anything wrong/breaking the laws of the road then what's the problem?