His biography is so much nicer and more fun to read. I'm shocked at how he remembered so much.

i think we are forgetting the prodigy were the ones that had a huge impact on the hole dance culture paning over many many years and made it what it is now more possible then tiesto and Paul.

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Originally posted by owien i think we are forgetting the prodigy were the ones that had a huge impact on the hole dance culture paning over many many years and made it what it is now more possible then tiesto and Paul.

dance and techno is not the same, i dont think prodigy had much inpact on what oakie cokey playd. at all. though they did have a big inpact on me from 94-96!

All this stuff is pretty much separate from techno, except to the extent that trance branched off from techno in early 1990s Germany. Watch the trance documentary:

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Includes footage of PvD and Laurent Garnier from sixteen years ago (1993).

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Originally posted by palm dance and techno is not the same, i dont think prodigy had much inpact on what oakie cokey playd. at all. though they did have a big inpact on me from 94-96!

but to be fair it wasn't really techno the were making... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bKL1ptf71M


they mixed shit up!

Good lord, please stop posting re-hashed and fairly innacuarte accounts of that "holiday to Ibiza" and the one-sided/highly selective techno documentary.

It's akin to watching the film Amadaus and then thinking you're a world authority on classical music.

(By the way that account of the legendary holiday leaves about 4 other people out of the story who were just as important not to mention that fact I've seen that same story change content in 3 different publications over the years).

The prodigy, although pioneers of rave culture, came long after the likes of Danny Rampling and Paul Oakenfold. (Prodigy surfaced in 1990 by the way guys, clubs like shoom were already a couple of years old).

If you want some decent and accurate history, read:

Last Night A DJ saved My life
Energy Flash
Ecstasy and the Dance music culture
Altered State

Anyway, back OT, the only reason I'd say Paul has a right is that he DID do it all first. Can you even imagine how many times he has played out in a club? Can you think what 20+ years of DJing at the top of your game is like. At some point you;re going to lose some passion, but that's not even the whole story. Paul,as correctly pointed out, was the first true businessman of dance music.

Try to bear in mind before he even became a DJ, he was an A+R man in NY, and gave Will Smith his first break by signing him.

The only reason I think can paul is allowed to carry on however he wants is that without him, dance music would be a completely different place. He did it. He's why you know Dance music in the way you do. Again, I'm not a fanboy, but in being a part of this industry for the last 15 years, I can't think of anyone that contributed more to the scene or dance music.

I simply cannot say the same about Tiesto, becuase his career has just been a copy of others who went before him and is now climaxing in to vulgar characature of everything that is wrong with the "superstar DJ" phenom.

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Originally posted by owien but to be fair it wasn't really techno the were making... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bKL1ptf71M they mixed shit up!

yeah as i said they made dance music. nothing more.
they where on all 90s dance comps. so theyre dance.
then they became rock, big beat and i lost interest.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN ...the one-sided/highly selective techno documentary.

Did you click the link? The documentary is about trance, not techno.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Did you click the link? The documentary is about trance, not techno.

Yes, about three years ago and I have the same opinion now as I did then.

And the reason I call it the techno documentary is that that's what is was called back then in Germany. The word "trance" came about years later.

...but that's a whole other thread......

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Yes, about three years ago and I have the same opinion now as I did then. And the reason I call it the techno documentary is that that's what is was called back then in Germany. The word "trance" came about years later.

The producers quoted in the doco, which was made in 1993, call it "trance."

[Edit: not to mention Dance 2 Trance, the German duo who started producing in 1990...]

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The producers quoted in the doco, which was made in 1993, call it "trance." [Edit: not to mention Dance 2 Trance, the German duo who started producing in 1990...]

Yes, but that was a specific niche movement in germany and not the same thing as we call trance now (and I'm not talking about the normal evolution of the genre). Bbear in mind that it was the UK several years before that was pioneering the uplifting house sound that became Trance that we know now.

Techno sprouted up in the USA but was undoubtedly pioneered by the Germans. IMO, the "trance" they are talking about in that doc was a sub-form of techno and not "trance" as we know. I base this off the research I;ve done, also by growing up in london and having bought records in Germany and Switzerland in the mid-90's and observing the clear difference in terminology relating to same genres.

I told you, I really didn't want to get in to this...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Yes, but that was a specific niche movement in germany and not the same thing as we call trance now (and I'm not talking about the normal evolution of the genre)...IMO, the "trance" they are talking about in that doc was a sub-form of techno and not "trance" as we know.

What, you mean it's not the same as late 1990s Dutch "uplifting" trance? Of course not. But Germany is still connected to the 1990s and early 2000s prog trance scene through producers like Oliver Lieb and Humate, whose tracks were played by UK DJs like Sasha. If you listen to early Platipus (UK) stuff and early MFS and Eye Q (German) records there is a lot of similarity in style and that is not just coincidence. Through the '90s Platipus changed from the harder acid style of early trance to the more uplifting and softer prog style that later became so big and influential.