Well, sorry, but I'm going to listen to some of the guys who run some of the most successful labels in the business before I listen to the experience of one artist. Beatport is a small piece of the pie, both in distribution, promotion, and licensing. I forgot to add that if labels add their releases 4 weeks prior to release on Juno, they send the release as part of a complimentary package to Radio 1. There are a lot of factors involved at every process that you have to take into account.

Juno has been around longer than I have, will be around after I'm gone, and is the only company who has done everything through snail mail and true signed contracts along with actual telephone conversations.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Well, sorry, but I'm going to listen to some of the guys who run some of the most successful labels in the business before I listen to the experience of one artist.

Let's just say I'm speaking from my own experience as well as others within my network.

I've actually done a research project on this subject (main subject: "Where do the opportunities lie to earn a decent income from music production") little over a year ago which involved responses from labels such as Armada/Cloud 9 dance, Spinnin', Flashover, Intuition and tons of smaller labels. None of them mentioned Juno as an important contributing factor. And yet those labels cover almost the entire spectrum of popular dutch progressive/trance dutch artists in the DJ top 100 and even a significant part of globally well-respected artists.

It's not just me, my remarks are based on several weeks of research. A bit over 1 year old however.

But as I said in my edited previous post, the market share of Beatport I'm estimating might be off due to the fact that certain shops perform well within a few genres while permorming less on others.

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I find it hard to believe Juno has more sales than BP (digital only btw) because it would contradict everything I've heard in the last couple of years.

Have you actually got any solid data to show it does? Anything?

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There is just too much old music in the juno charts for them to be selling the most records.

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Originally posted by Subtle There is just too much old music in the juno charts for them to be selling the most records.

That has nothing to do with it. You don't know (and neither do I) the degrading factors Beatport and Juno use. Juno tries to give weekly time frames, but still uses a deteriorating formula. Beatport doesn't give any options. They bury music hourly.

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Originally posted by Fledz I find it hard to believe Juno has more sales than BP (digital only btw) because it would contradict everything I've heard in the last couple of years. Have you actually got any solid data to show it does? Anything?

This is an impossible question to answer, even if you owned one of the companies we're discussing. And while sales are great, they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. The worthless Deadmau5 makes the same amount of money in 3 weeks than he's made from his entire sales and licensing of music. (Sample CD not included)

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Originally posted by Storyteller Let's just say I'm speaking from my own experience as well as others within my network. I've actually done a research project on this subject (main subject: "Where do the opportunities lie to earn a decent income from music production") little over a year ago which involved responses from labels such as Armada/Cloud 9 dance, Spinnin', Flashover, Intuition and tons of smaller labels. None of them mentioned Juno as an important contributing factor. And yet those labels cover almost the entire spectrum of popular dutch progressive/trance dutch artists in the DJ top 100 and even a significant part of globally well-respected artists. It's not just me, my remarks are based on several weeks of research. A bit over 1 year old however. But as I said in my edited previous post, the market share of Beatport I'm estimating might be off due to the fact that certain shops perform well within a few genres while permorming less on others.

I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there is a big difference between a random email (from a year ago as you pointed out) versus actually talking with the movers & shakers. If I received a random email like that asking me questions as such I would flat out lie (especially if I ran some of the labels you mentioned)

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there is a big difference between a random email (from a year ago as you pointed out) versus actually talking with the movers & shakers. If I received a random email like that asking me questions as such I would flat out lie (especially if I ran some of the labels you mentioned)

I never said it's all based on random emails . They were all asked to be part of this and were happy to help and actually interested in the results as well. I know all those people personally and I can tell you that apart from one of them they all had pretty detailed answers. They're people I do a bit of bussines with and some I even consider to be a good friend . Some interviews where done in person, some by phone and some by email.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I don't mean to sound arrogant, but there is a big difference between a random email (from a year ago as you pointed out) versus actually talking with the movers & shakers. If I received a random email like that asking me questions as such I would flat out lie (especially if I ran some of the labels you mentioned)

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Originally posted by Fledz Have you actually got any solid data to show it does? Anything?

All I'm hearing at the moment is a creationist trying to convince me evolution is wrong.

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Originally posted by Fledz All I'm hearing at the moment is a creationist trying to convince me evolution is wrong.

Works both ways then if you want to play that game. Prove me wrong.

Thanks for proving my point. I don't need to. It's well established that BP is the market leader. You're the one that's stirring the pot without any evidence to back it up.

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And he's not doing any bussiness with them thus unable to directly see it for himself . BP is especially relevant in the progressive and electro house genres. His label's loss :P

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