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Originally posted by dannib for somebody elses hard work that does and then passing it off as their own and getting all the credit!

Isn't that what most new school producers are doing? Fitting that the people they buy or steal their samples from are also stealing their samples.

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Originally posted by owien not really and no i'm not here trying to make people come round to my way off thinking. why would i if you're happy swiping other peoples work then fine. some of the best producers in the game build from the ground up and make nearly all their own work witch begs the question why?

Most of the best producers, on the other hand, use quality samples.

And I'm not trying to get people around to my way of thinking either. Why would I, if you're happy swiping other people's hard work in creating computers and sequencers to create music? I think it's absolutely horrible, not creating the sequencer and all the synths and effects you use yourself, but if you're fine with that....then fine. If you can live with yourself, and sleep at night...then that's just fine.

HILARIOUS THREAD IS HILARIOUS.

just sayin

When did downloaded samples = low quality? The only difference between a bought VSL Orchestra and a downloaded VSL Orchestra...is one of them was paid for.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 When did downloaded samples = low quality? The only difference between a bought VSL Orchestra and a downloaded VSL Orchestra...is one of them was paid for.

The bought version has its own vst player and supports 64 bit addressing. That is a pretty big difference.

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Originally posted by derail Most of the best producers, on the other hand, use quality samples. And I'm not trying to get people around to my way of thinking either. Why would I, if you're happy swiping other people's hard work in creating computers and sequencers to create music? I think it's absolutely horrible, not creating the sequencer and all the synths and effects you use yourself, but if you're fine with that....then fine. If you can live with yourself, and sleep at night...then that's just fine.

so let me get this clear you're basicly saying unless i build all software/hardware from scratch my points made are invalid?

if that is the case then sorry but you're way of the mark!

and can not see how making your own host/sequencer has any baring on working with your own samples whilst putting a track together.

at the end of the day i dont want my tracks to sound the same as everybody else and if i need any parts for my tunes then i sit and make them. maybe it's because i have the skill to do that lucky me.

i understand why you may want to use the most up to speed sample packs but please in the end would they/you not be much more happy with doing it all yourself? i bet most do or will and just needs time to get in tune with their software/hardware set up regardless or not it was made by themself or someone else.

oh and point in case m.i.k.e makes all his own work from scratch and if you hear his albums you will hear why

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Originally posted by RichieV The bought version has its own vst player and supports 64 bit addressing. That is a pretty big difference.

You can get that with a download. Unless I missed something. Any software can be gotten from a download. Anyways, VSL was an example.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c I would love to find the thread i still dont believe that all vengeance do is nick samples.

Not everything is stolen as Manuel Schleis does work for them in producing loops etc. But when you listne to the loops, hooks etc you can tell what songs they are from.

Ive recognised loads, one being Spiller - Groovejet.

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Originally posted by owien so let me get this clear you're basicly saying unless i build all software/hardware from scratch my points made are invalid? if that is the case then sorry but you're way of the mark! and can not see how making your own host/sequencer has any baring on working with your own samples whilst putting a track together. at the end of the day i dont want my tracks to sound the same as everybody else and if i need any parts for my tunes then i sit and make them. maybe it's because i have the skill to do that lucky me. i understand why you may want to use the most up to speed sample packs but please in the end would they/you not be much more happy with doing it all yourself? i bet most do or will and just needs time to get in tune with their software/hardware set up regardless or not it was made by themself or someone else. oh and point in case m.i.k.e makes all his own work from scratch and if you hear his albums you will hear why

Listen, if you're comfortable using synths, effects and sequencers that other people have created, that's fine for you. I just think it's lazy.

I don't want to use oscillators and filters and mixing algorithms that other people created.

How can I be original if I'm using an 18dB lowpass filter that someone else has created, with a predetermined shape? It's going to sound exactly the same as every other producer using that filter.

If I use an off-the-shelf sequencer such as Cubase, Logic, Live, or whatever, then I'll be tied into the particular way that the program I use sums it's audio, and the workflow that that sequencer provides.

If I use an existing synth, then I'm using oscillators/ waveforms which the synth manufacturer created - I don't want to use other people's work, I want to do everything myself. I just think it's lazy to use a synthesizer that you didn't make yourself.

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Originally posted by derail As I said, everyone has their own opinion. My opinion is, that unless you: 1) build your own (analogue, obviously) sound sources, using components you have created yourself (no off-the shelf russian circuits - I build all my own circuit boards, vacuum tubes and so on, from materials I took from the earth with my own bare hands); 2) sample them using a microphone you've also built yourself, into a computer you've built yourself (once again, from the ground up, using a chip architecture you've designed rather than an Intel/ AMD copy), running an operating system you've written; 3) use the samples in a sequencer which you've written (using a computer language you created, rather than using something off-the-shelf, such as C++) Then you're lazy. And not a "real" musician. And a jerk. Because using anything that anyone else did is just plain wrong. But as I said, this is purely my opinion. Others are equally valid.

Haha. Are you shitting me? I think you need to step up the dosage of your medication.

I'd love to see houw you built your own computer and written your own compiler (on that computer I presume). Also post some pics of the vacuum tubes you built, but... first you must design a camera, wirte a photo manipulating app and then design your own internet so you can post the pics. Also, for extra originality invent your own colors, otherwise you're not a real photographer.

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Originally posted by derail I don't want to use oscillators and filters and mixing algorithms that other people created. How can I be original if I'm using an 18dB lowpass filter that someone else has created, with a predetermined shape? It's going to sound exactly the same as every other producer using that filter. If I use an off-the-shelf sequencer such as Cubase, Logic, Live, or whatever, then I'll be tied into the particular way that the program I use sums it's audio, and the workflow that that sequencer provides. If I use an existing synth, then I'm using oscillators/ waveforms which the synth manufacturer created - I don't want to use other people's work, I want to do everything myself. I just think it's lazy to use a synthesizer that you didn't make yourself.

How about you stop using our air for starters?

btw, what the fuck are you even doing on this forum if you build your own gear and try to be original? The scientology forum is over that way...