Medical professionals don't necessarily have an obligation to SAVE lives, rather to improve the quality of life.

A dead person has no quality of life.

Although I guess that can be better than having negative quality of life.

Yeah exactly.

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Originally posted by Stef I guess this goes out to mostly the USA TAs but i was wondering what everyone thought. "The term "right to die" refers to various issues related to the decision of whether an individual who could continue to live with the aid of life support, or in a diminished or enfeebled capacity, should be allowed to die. In some cases, it refers to the idea that a person with a terminal illness and in serious condition should be allowed to commit suicide before death would otherwise occur. The concept is often referred to as dying with dignity. The question of who–if anyone–should be empowered to make these decisions is often central to the debate." So does Ta believe in the right to die?

I can continue to live with the "life support," of oxygen and food. Should I be devoid of such needs; i'd die right?

Well you see; nature does this for us; and it doesn't fucking give one shit of a fuck; if we want to die or not; Eventually you will not get enough oxygen or food depending on the natural environment. That means if the person in question cannot feed themselves or inhale the atmosphere they will die.

So naturally you gonna fucking die. That means our right to die is governed and given to us by nature. It is also in our nature that we will die physically. Furthermore the decisions have ultimately been left to the wheel works of time and the ability for nature to decay the living into the dead.

Here we are thinking some human ultimately makes the decision? Neh, the decisions that will be made do not depend upon the humans ability to turn off a switch, but it will be natures ability to turn off the atmosphere and destroy all plant life as we know it. Then we will experience natures true power of giving everyone their, "Right to die."

So I say, Die with dignity and keep fighting against the death itself because where we are is fragile. We do not control life nor do we control death. To think that we ultimately do; is an illusion.

P.S. That is why I think life and health insurance is a fucking scam to take people's money. Humans will believe anything. Humans believe, and they buy into it. Just like they buy into health insurance and life insurance.

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Originally posted by palm its for the families you idiot.

yeah; why do the family members get lots of money when you die? R u really gonna put a price on your head; if so have you looked into the assassination business these days and how that plays a roll in insurance scams?

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Originally posted by Slylee now YOU'RE missing the point...which is the right to not letting other people decide what you should do with your life and body. have you ever watched someone suffer from cancer or a horrible mental illness like manic depression where they can't even hold a fucking job or a conversation with their loved ones or even get out of bed to go smell the fresh air?

Sigh. You're obviously too upset over your own experiences with this issue to actually debate it properly.

I can't really be bothered to reiterate my whole argument a third time, so I'll just say this: you would do well to realize that giving the common person the power to end a human life will have severe and widespread consequences for our society, regardless of what the reason for taking that life is. It's just not as simple as saying "I decide if I live or die" and nothing else.

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usually people who commit suicide forfeit their life insurance.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, but I also don't drink out of a fucking sippy-cup you goddamned Appalachian.

I voted for it last November and it passed here.

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Originally posted by chimera66 no don't know what it was but seems like he should have tried to work through things. tons of people lose their jobs and get divorced among other awful things but many ultimately end up living happy lives. it wasn't like this guy suffered for a long time, all this happened in the course of a year which i can image is very difficult and stressful. i consider life to be something important so you shouldn't just give up on it without giving it a good try and as a parent you owe it to your kid(s) to stay alive. i just don't think it's fair to leave your child without a father or mother; to me it seems selfish.

Don't you think it'd be even more selfish to force him to live a life he dreaded to endure? It's not like he hadn't severed all his ties with these people anyway once the divorce was filed. If you think your life is important, good, don't commit suicide. He thought the burden of his existence didn't outweigh his will to live, which is a dramatic situation in its own right, and that's a personal choice. To me, your decision sounds no less selfish.

"Shame on the egoist who thinks only of himself!"

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Originally posted by Slylee and lira wtf!! the guy cheated on his wife and when she was going to leave him, he kills himself and leaves her alone in the world with their child who is now fatherless? i'm sorry but that is disgraceful. he probably did her a fucking favor though if that's the kind of pathetic person he is (no offense to chimera). that story pisses me off. the poor woman. gets cheated on AND loses the father of her child.

And she's alive... what difference would his life make to her now anyway? They weren't a couple any more

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Originally posted by Lira Don't you think it'd be even more selfish to force him to live a life he dreaded to endure? It's not like he hadn't severed all his ties with these people anyway once the divorce was filed. If you think your life is important, good, don't commit suicide. He thought the burden of his existence didn't outweigh his will to live, which is a dramatic situation in its own right, and that's a personal choice. To me, your decision sounds no less selfish. "Shame on the egoist who thinks only of himself!" And she's alive... what difference would his life make to her now anyway? They weren't a couple any more

wow lol just...wow.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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