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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Trying to be a CEO is not something that reshapes your brain structure like music and language acquisition do. It takes skill, certainly, but it is not something for which children have an enormous neurological advantage like language and music.

It's all the same man. It's acquired knowledge. You acquire it and then you put it into play. It's the same with everything in life. I know a genius that was best friends with my cousin that taught himself fluent chinese in 7 months at age 17. It's all about the will and passion to get where you want in regards to whatever you're doing.

There is one thing common in all of these people. There is no such thing as doubt.

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Originally posted by SDM ?

you said "coke would explain my statement"

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's all the same man. It's acquired knowledge. You acquire it and then you put it into play. It's the same with everything in life. I know a genius that was best friends with my cousin that taught himself fluent chinese in 7 months at age 17. It's all about the will and passion to get where you want in regards to whatever you're doing. There is one thing common in all of these people. There is no such thing as doubt.

i taught myself written and spoken japanese in about 4 months just before i turned 18 (at the same time i was studying for my exams for my last year of school lol), and went to japan by myself for 5 weeks... wasn't exactly fluent, but had the basics and picked up the rest when i was over there

i don't think anything is that hard if you know you can do it, stop procrastinating and just do it... it's been my experience anyway..

done writing, drawing, painting, learned a language, been able to get a couple of tracks released, i havn't had any formal training in any and have learned all after the age of 17, except drawing... i guess that's why i believe the kid thing doesn't matter, of course it's completely subjective though lol

and i'm not saying i'm a genius, but i just think it's possible to be good at things with a sense of one's own abilities, rather than a focus on the inevitable failure of all your exploits...
i know this isn't what jbj was saying anyway, cause he was specifically talking about extremely succesful people, rather than a simple ability to do stuff, but i guess it's a fine line and for me it's more about being competent than being exceptional.. anyone whose competent at something will probably be exceptional in someone's eyes..

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I love how you've totally changed your argument. You're trying to teach me how a childs mind works? I've got a degree in the biological sciences, I know quite well how the mind and the whole body work at any age. In fact most people should anyway, considering you learn these sorts of things well before you graduate from high school.

Nobody ever said that children don't learn quicker, that's quite well documented and about as solid as the fact that we rotate around the sun.
Your argument was that because of that learning capacity the person starting at an early age is forever at a higher level. That's unfounded and completely absurd to say.

Does that person who started at 5 have an advantage? Absolutely.
Does it mean they will always be at a higher level than someone who started at 20? Absolutely not and if you think it does then you've been taught wrong, and/or you don't understand self motivation and persistence.

I posted this to maybe inspire some people and get them to understand that they can reach those high levels with dedication and practice, but Negative Nancy over here jumps straight in with his trademark philosophical negativity

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Originally posted by EgosXII i taught myself written and spoken japanese in about 4 months just before i turned 18 (at the same time i was studying for my exams for my last year of school lol), and went to japan by myself for 5 weeks... wasn't exactly fluent, but had the basics and picked up the rest when i was over there i don't think anything is that hard if you know you can do it, stop procrastinating and just do it... it's been my experience anyway.. done writing, drawing, painting, learned a language, been able to get a couple of tracks released, i havn't had any formal training in any and have learned all after the age of 17, except drawing... i guess that's why i believe the kid thing doesn't matter, of course it's completely subjective though lol and i'm not saying i'm a genius, but i just think it's possible to be good at things with a sense of one's own abilities, rather than a focus on the inevitable failure of all your exploits... i know this isn't what jbj was saying anyway, cause he was specifically talking about extremely succesful people, rather than a simple ability to do stuff, but i guess it's a fine line and for me it's more about being competent than being exceptional.. anyone whose competent at something will probably be exceptional in someone's eyes..

If you can be competent you can be exceptional...

You can be good at anything if you put the time in.

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Fledz - a big thank's from me. That's THE most informative thing I've read on a forum.

Hope you dont mind, I posted this on another forum as it's essential reading.

I've been argueing for a while it's all about hard work and persistence, but what realy confuses me is there is this guy on anjunabeats forum that has been signed and is making good stuff that says he's only be into this for a year. That one plays on my mind all the time.

Why? Well because I am obsessive, I mean unhealthly obsessive and spend hours every night, no matter what honing my tune - I mean listening to a 4 bard loop for 3 hours straight, tweaking. I spend about 20 hours every weekend too.

I'm sometimes feeling almost insane with my quest and wonder if it really has to be this hard, or there is something fundamental Im doing wrong.

So reading boomjinx' post just came as quite a relief, that I'm not wasting my time.

Now here's the thing. A shitty label wanted to sign me for 5 tracks a year ago but I turned it down as I just knew my sound was'nt right.

So I've been on this incredibly frustrating journey, and have a lonmg way to go.

Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

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Originally posted by Fledz

I don't care what you think about my attitude, whether it is "negative" or not. My attitude doesn't determine whether my view is correct.

Counterexamples. Post them. People who did not start making or playing music until 18+ and who you think are amazing musicians on the skill level of someone like BT or Thom Yorke.

If you think hard work means everything, then you should be able to think of at least a few, right?

in all reality skill and talent almost go hand in hand

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

i got signed and im not all that

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

They seem to be the majority these days, actually. But that's an entirely different topic...

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