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Originally posted by astroboy Yeah I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to music/art.. I think there has to be a certain level of mastery/skill to it and it should communicate something.. I'm not convinced that if you left a random unskilled person of reasonable intelligence in a studio for a day that he couldn't come up with something indistinguishable from a merzbow track. After a while all this "undermining" stuff becomes wankery imo. It sort of loses it's purpose. "i splattered some paint on the floor in a dark room and told no one about it undermining the very definition of art.." It's like.. congratulations you succeeded in not making art.. pretty much what I succeed in every time I go to the toilet.. and interestingly both activities achieve similar results!

I think it's just like poetry in a language you don't speak: unless you "get it", it's hard to see its worth. I don't claim to understand noise in any way, but I can kind of tell a good track from a bad one. One is egregious, and the other is just downright intolerable

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Noise is one genre it seems pretty much everyone feels comfortable hating on. If you look up noise tracks on YouTube there are almost always like two or three negative comments for every positive one. So many people who feel compelled to express their distaste.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Noise is one genre it seems pretty much everyone feels comfortable hating on. If you look up noise tracks on YouTube there are almost always like two or three negative comments for every positive one. So many people who feel compelled to express their distaste.

I can understand it, I just can't fully enjoy the experience. By the way, can you post both a track you like and a track you dislike?

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Originally posted by ivofivo TYVM but most enjoy Melodies in their music. Not loops.

lol.. do you consider that tiësto-track in your OP to be trance?

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Originally posted by Lira I can understand it, I just can't fully enjoy the experience. By the way, can you post both a track you like and a track you dislike?

My favorite Merzbow is one that used to be up on YouTube, called "1930." I can't find it anymore, though. I do enjoy the one I posted, "Minus Zero."

Here is one I don't like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJj-eMIulZY

For me it comes down to whether I can enjoy the sound textures that are used. I don't like stuff that uses too many white noise bursts, for example.

I also like stuff that is basically "noise" because it's not melodic at all, but it is less intense and has a really dark and ambient atmosphere, like this:

Aphex Twin - "Gwarek2"

PBK is an artist who works with that kind of sound. There is variety in the genre, it's not all non-stop bursts and random pulses like Merzbow at his most intense. Even Merzbow has his orderly and (somewhat) melodic moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mind5HtIB_s

I'm not really too deep in the genre anyway, but I can definitely appreciate it and I even make a little myself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOJu4c_Ssw4

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Originally posted by Lira I think it's just like poetry in a language you don't speak: unless you "get it", it's hard to see its worth. I don't claim to understand noise in any way, but I can kind of tell a good track from a bad one. One is egregious, and the other is just downright intolerable

You probably won't be surprised that I'm not a fan of "free-form" poetry either

In his book on Poetry Stephen Fry gives this example:

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"cigaretted and drinked loaded against yourself you seem so yes bold irreducible but nuded and afterloved you are not so strong are you after all

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'The above is precisely the kind of worthless arse-dribble I am forced to read whenever I agree to judge a poetry competition. It took me under a minute and a half to write, and while I dare say you can see what utter wank it is, there are many who would accept it as poetry ... 'Like so much of what passes for poetry today it is also listless, utterly drained of energy and drive - a common problem with much contemporary art, but an especial problem with poetry that chooses to close itself off from all metrical pattern and form. It is like music without beat or shape or harmony: not music at all, in fact.' '...It is as if we have all been encouraged to believe that form is a kind of fascism, and that to acquire knowledge is to drive a jackboot into the face of those poor souls who are too incurious, dull-witted or idle to find out what poetry can be.'

..."arse-dribble"

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I like how T.I. sounds in Timbaland's and Timberlake's - My Love, the song is kinda trancey imho.

KrisG had a great track in Production one time that blended rap with EDM.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles My favorite Merzbow is one that used to be up on YouTube, called "1930." I can't find it anymore, though. I do enjoy the one I posted, "Minus Zero."

jesus christ. i bet they used that at guantanimo.

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Originally posted by astroboy In his book on Poetry Stephen Fry gives this example:

thanks for pointing out it was fry, i got to read that passage with his voice and delivery

If you mix today's cheesy pop Trance with rap what you get is... Eurodance!
As crazy as it sounds, Armin working with Soulja Boy might actually produce the most awesome track of the decade.

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Originally posted by Meat187 If you mix today's cheesy pop Trance with rap what you get is... Eurodance! As crazy as it sounds, Armin working with Soulja Boy might actually produce the most awesome track of the decade.

Srsly?