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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!



Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

quote:
Originally posted by E2EK1EL
Just I stated, no contract = reatil pricing, Wind's BlackBerry can only be sold @ $450.00 + Tax, no hardware discount. They're selling it @ cost, Rogers sell it @ $599.99 - RETAIL

OK, so we're on the same page then. The point I was making was that even when you buy at the retail price (which is above cost), you still get charged what are effectively lease fees in the rate structure. There's no end to the price-gouging, and you can never win (unless you don't have a cell, which, everybody does); the deeper you dig into their revenue structure, the more shocking and appalling it seems to get.

But this Wind Mobile phenomenon is interesting, I hadn't even heard about it until yesterday. $15 a month for voice (including all the add-ons that Fido charges extra for) and $35 for unlimited data is looking pretty good right now. I'm just wondering about their coverage.


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E2EK1EL
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Toronto, Ontario

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
OK, so we're on the same page then. The point I was making was that even when you buy at the retail price (which is above cost), you still get charged what are effectively lease fees in the rate structure. There's no end to the price-gouging, and you can never win (unless you don't have a cell, which, everybody does); the deeper you dig into their revenue structure, the more shocking and appalling it seems to get.

But this Wind Mobile phenomenon is interesting, I hadn't even heard about it until yesterday. $15 a month for voice (including all the add-ons that Fido charges extra for) and $35 for unlimited data is looking pretty good right now. I'm just wondering about their coverage.


Yeah dude nothing changes, it actually cost more in the plans pricing w/o contract. Everything you've stated i know already.

Its all "cash moves everything around me, CREAM ... get the money, DOLLA DOLLA BILLS YA'LL"

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VERTiG0
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: no longer Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

http://shop.windmobile.ca/ProductCatalog/VoicePlans/

Why yes, I'd love to pay for my mobile service in GBP

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DigiNut
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http://shop.windmobile.ca/ProductCatalog/VoicePlans/

Why yes, I'd love to pay for my mobile service in GBP

Where do you see GBP?


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Cro_Addict
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The Highroller
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Flying over the cuckoo's nest

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Originally posted by DigiNut
John, while I agree with you in theory about contracts in general (remember, pure capitalist here), the contracts for wireless providers here are a joke. They do not benefit the customers at all, even after the phone discount.

What's really happening when you get that $800 phone for $200 is that they aren't giving it to you, they're leasing it to you. It's brilliant, because the useful life of a cell phone now is the same as a computer, about 3 years, so after the 3 years they just let you keep it because it's been depreciated all the way down to zero. You pay a standard 25% down payment on the 3-year contract, and if you want a shorter contract then they increase the down payment instead of the interest.

Of course, the lease, and the interest, is completely hidden in their fees. What's outrageous is that they don't offer discounts to regular monthly subscribers who buy their phone outright and therefore aren't costing the provider any capital. Economically it would make perfect sense, but the service they provide is usually so abysmal that they consider it more important to achieve lock-in, otherwise every customer would switch the second a competitor offered a better deal.

It's clever economics disguised with even cleverer marketing. If they disclosed the actual sale price of the phone (which is seriously inflated from the book value, not discounted), potential customers would be horrified and think a lot harder about their purchase. Instead, the companies collude to inflate rates across the board and offer "free" or "cheap" phones, and customers think they're getting a great deal.

In reality, customers who sign contracts to get cheaper phones are merely getting the short end of the stick, whereas customers who don't sign contracts are paying an even higher premium for the freedom of being able to walk away or get a better plan. It's truly a winner-take-all game and the subscribers always lose, and it will continue to remain that way until the market is actually allowed to become competitive.

And although I'm not a fan of Apple, I do at least have to give them some credit for flexing their corporate muscle and forcing the local providers to offer better data plans. If it hadn't been for them, we'd still be paying $25 for 5 megs.


So true, and well written!

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