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Originally posted by diskodave as an EDM artist, success isn't defined by hitting platinum record sales.

Yes it is. While success in literary terms is defined as any action that achieves its intended purpose , the majority look at success in terms of fame and fortune. However, if the artist in question whether its underground or mainstream is happy with where he is and where he stands in the public eye , then he considers himself successful and the public be damned but speaking in general terms success is defined by fame and fortune.

It was quoted in this thread that the folks in Music Discussion would reject Armin and Tiesto as makers of good music. Music Discussion is a sub forum within Trance Addict and I believe the top 5 djs in this years top 250 poll were all those who are more or less the mainstream artists so how much more proof is needed?

Personally , i am not to happy with Armin and Tiesto's new sound either but hey - fair play to them. They get all the fame and all that comes with it.

PS: Guetta's music is the best drunk music out there. The guy really knows how to work the crowd however cheesy his sound.

el oh el at y'all thinking these dj's get THIS much/gig.

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA R!CH you are absolutely full of shit like always and I like the fact that you like to mention me in every single one of your posts even on posts that I haven't even commented. I don't swing both ways just in case you were looking for a BF so get of my N**Z.... There are some Dj's that don't meet your taste that's fine man some others enjoy them and vice versa. You don't see others post 200 times a day about how one DJ that you like sucks... We all got it R!CH HATES GUETTA!!!! No problem buddy stop having panic attacks every time some one mentions his name!!!

this thread finally pays off

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Originally posted by Sadface FTFY Seriously dude, the idea of success is so incredibly subjective that its kind of ridiculous for you to come out and flatly state one method of its judgement as being "wrong."

no need to put words in my mouth buddy. if you describe success as simply making a lot of money, then you're clearly talking about running a business. i don't really care about that. my appreciation of music has nothing to do with the amount of revenue it represents. i do not derive pleasure from one's ability to top charts and make the more money than the other guy. i realize a lot of people out there do. what i care about is the artistic merits of the music, its ability to challenge me and how well i can relate to it. what i consider success is an artist who can express something real and meaningful about him or herself through their music, who isn't concerned with distractions like how to chart higher than last week, who isn't driven by populism or egotism, confined by business models and convention, who isn't led around like a dog on a leash by his financial handlers, who is not afraid to take risk and explore new avenues, who strives to exist at the tip of the artistic sword, who can see when the horse is about to die, stop beating it and move on. you know, a real artist. music is art to me, it is not a case study in how to get rich quick. i have zero fascination with how well some people can hustle the scene with shoe deals, private planes, and other worthless gimmicks.

why doesn't guetta or tiesto fit into my model of an artist? because they are more concerned about the details of how much they are getting paid than the idea of playing records for thousands of people, with whether or not a there's a private jet in their rider than some powerful dj tool, with how many girls are back stage then how well they are playing. their track selection is neither unique nor logical. there is no flow to their programming, they don't offer you anything you haven't heard millions of times before. they play the most conventional, mediocre, pedestrian music in all of edm. in the world of painting, they are a xerox machine.

most people at a tiesto show are more happy about the sight of tiesto in front of them than the music he plays. they use the dj mag/making bank argument the mask the fact that they can't explain what makes his music any good.

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Sure, except theres pretty much nothing in EDM these days thats "at the tip of the artistic sword." Most everyone is just producing songs with the same recycled themes that have been played out for years. It's just a matter of the producer choosing which audience to cater to with his sound. It's an interesting choice that everyone can obviously have varying opinions on, but its not as though theres inherently more value in making one type of recycled music over another.

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This only applies to most of the well-known and commercially big DJs and producers. I do often hear some pretty fresh sound in some smaller parties in SF.

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Originally posted by Sadface Sure, except theres pretty much nothing in EDM these days thats "at the tip of the artistic sword." Most everyone is just producing songs with the same recycled themes that have been played out for years. It's just a matter of the producer choosing which audience to cater to with his sound. It's an interesting choice that everyone can obviously have varying opinions on, but its not as though theres inherently more value in making one type of recycled music over another.

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA R!CH you are absolutely full of shit like always and I like the fact that you like to mention me in every single one of your posts even on posts that I haven't even commented. I don't swing both ways just in case you were looking for a BF so get of my N**Z....

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Originally posted by Sadface Sure, except theres pretty much nothing in EDM these days thats "at the tip of the artistic sword." Most everyone is just producing songs with the same recycled themes that have been played out for years. It's just a matter of the producer choosing which audience to cater to with his sound. It's an interesting choice that everyone can obviously have varying opinions on, but its not as though theres inherently more value in making one type of recycled music over another.

if that was the case i would have been over this scene a long time ago. yet i manage to hear a very diverse range of experimental sounds, effects and arrangements every time i go out. obviously with a finite number of instruments and frequencies you're going to hear the same sound more than once. that's not my criticism. i'm talking about the cookie-cutter nature of commercial music which takes a small handful of those sounds and shuffles them around into a thousand variants for years and years and years without any semblance creative interpretation save for a cheesy diva vox here and there. underground music still uses a pretty standard bag of kicks and snares, but it's the other sounds and effects arranged around that beat-ridden sound that keeps me interested. and let's not forget all the potential software and live mixing tools introduce into the equation. maybe i would have more respect for tiesto if he bothered to learn how to master these tools and used them to the extreme every time he charged $100 to see him play.

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Originally posted by R!CH in that case there is no such thing as bad music

that is true.....just cuz u think its bad, doesnt mean the entire world thinks it is....truth is, someone somewhere will like it......your musical taste isnt the end all be all u want it to be.....it starts and ends with what u like

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Originally posted by drEamer that is true.....just cuz u think its bad, doesnt mean the entire world thinks it is....truth is, someone somewhere will like it......your musical taste isnt the end all be all u want it to be.....it starts and ends with what u like

So Beethoven is on the same level as Britney Spears? Slippery slope...

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.