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Originally posted by Kismet7 All this talk about sidechain...my sequencer cant even freakin do sidechain, which is a great mixing tool and a luxury for those who can use it to mix. I have to employ magic tricks from the brown cheese cloth bag for the aural form of the effect, yet still no ducking for the kick/bassline, since the sequencer I use is archaic and shit...but still useful. ps: @OP if you dont like it, dont use it, and dont listen to music that uses it, instead of being a little bitch that complains about useful production techniques. And like someone said, good music and sidechaining are not mutually exclusive.

I didnt mean to start this whole flame war. And I dont hate sidechain, I just think that a lot of people use it maybe a bit too much.I was just wondering how their music would sound like without it since 10 years ago there was no sidechain. And since about %50 of the people here think that trance was only good back in the 90's, It's a possibility that sidechain is one of the causes of music going "bad" these days. I love music right now, there is still a ton of cliche shit but there still are lots of gems that are not as well known

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Originally posted by sako487 I didnt mean to start this whole flame war. And I dont hate sidechain, I just think that a lot of people use it maybe a bit too much.I was just wondering how their music would sound like without it since 10 years ago there was no sidechain. And since about %50 of the people here think that trance was only good back in the 90's, It's a possibility that sidechain is one of the causes of music going "bad" these days. I love music right now, there is still a ton of cliche shit but there still are lots of gems that are not as well known

If you compare songs from today to songs in the mid to late 90s, you'll notice that generally the kicks and bass are much louder. This could be a side-effect of more producers using sidechain compression - with everything getting out of the way of the kick, the kick can be turned up.

I don't know if that's a reason you don't hear as many massive leads which overpower everything else any more. With a much louder kick, the lead can't be as big, relative to it.

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Originally posted by derail If you compare songs from today to songs in the mid to late 90s, you'll notice that generally the kicks and bass are much louder. This could be a side-effect of more producers using sidechain compression - with everything getting out of the way of the kick, the kick can be turned up. I don't know if that's a reason you don't hear as many massive leads which overpower everything else any more. With a much louder kick, the lead can't be as big, relative to it.

I agree.

Its also down to the style at the time. In 10 years time we'll look back and see a trend from the 00's (2000-2010) and probably say why dont people make tracks that have (what ever particular sound it maybe ) anymore.

There was a distinctive sound to the tracks in the late 90's same as the trance that was out in the early to mid 90's. Thats what happens its a natural progression and its happening now, it happens all the time, and it will change to some new eventually.

But unless you done a huge 10 year study on 99% of every track that came out its all just very broad assumptions of whether side-chain has influenced a decade of music. (lol that just sounds ridiculous when put like that haha)

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Originally posted by sako487 I didnt mean to start this whole flame war. And I dont hate sidechain, I just think that a lot of people use it maybe a bit too much.I was just wondering how their music would sound like without it since 10 years ago there was no sidechain. And since about %50 of the people here think that trance was only good back in the 90's, It's a possibility that sidechain is one of the causes of music going "bad" these days. I love music right now, there is still a ton of cliche shit but there still are lots of gems that are not as well known

Never-mind mate about the people causing arguements some of us are at least discussing your thoughts.

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Originally posted by sako487 I didnt mean to start this whole flame war. And I dont hate sidechain, I just think that a lot of people use it maybe a bit too much.I was just wondering how their music would sound like without it since 10 years ago there was no sidechain. And since about %50 of the people here think that trance was only good back in the 90's, It's a possibility that sidechain is one of the causes of music going "bad" these days. I love music right now, there is still a ton of cliche shit but there still are lots of gems that are not as well known

It's inevitable here, don't feel bad. It's one of the reasons I like this forum so much.

Side-chaining was around in the 90s, though. I don't know exactly when it was created but it was first used as an easy way for radio DJs to have the music lowered automatically when they speak on the air. If such an effect did not exist, it would be created in one form or another because there is a need for it.

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Im a bit late i know i been away but just had to say dead moose is a tool. Cant even come up with an original name and he critisizes alanzo for making music good enough to be considered industry atandard?

Loser,

Also side chain embodies the very spirit of EDM the use and abuse of effects not designed specifically for musical purposes to achieve musical results isn't that at least party what its about?.

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Originally posted by alanzo Side-chaining was around in the 90s, though. I don't know exactly when it was created but it was first used as an easy way for radio DJs to have the music lowered automatically when they speak on the air. If such an effect did not exist, it would be created in one form or another because there is a need for it.

All radio studios I worked in just have the mics go in the compressor incredibly loud being compressed like a mother which causes the music to be pushed down with the voice on top of it .

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Originally posted by Storyteller All radio studios I worked in just have the mics go in the compressor incredibly loud being compressed like a mother which causes the music to be pushed down with the voice on top of it .

Ghetto sidechain.

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Come to think about it..

You won't get...

1)Those bassline that sound like their gonna fly out of the speaker.
2)Side-chained pads.
3)Side-chained Sub Bass
4)SWISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
5)Reverbed TR-909
6)Side-chained voice reverb.
7)Opus Sectrum
8)DJs talking over the spinning record.

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Originally posted by alanzo Ghetto sidechain.

fo shizzle!

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Im a bit late i know i been away but just had to say dead moose is a tool. Cant even come up with an original name and he critisizes alanzo for making music good enough to be considered industry atandard?

You make no sense to man nor beast. Taking into consideration the current industry I would suggest he certainly is an industry standard. If we are talking about machinery for building highways or doing jobs on a day in-day out routine, I would certainly agree that an industry standard piece of kit is best. In terms of human input into a musical piece, industry standard is the last thing I would like to be considered as. It fortifies my view that people like this guy must literally read from a textbook while making music.

The problem here(TranceAddict) is that instead of concentrating on the musical and soulful side of things. Most of you instead aspire to one day be as good at mixing as alazo, when to me he is a figure head of the lack of musicality, depth and heart within todays emerging dance artists.

To all these preachers of the TranceAddict patron saint of boredom, would you actually purchase his music? And listen to it with the same enjoyment as when you first put on a copy of WOW's first album? or when you first purchased Humate's Love stimulation (pvd rmx)? or the 12" of Gouryella? No you wouldn't! And anyone arguing this point doesn't have a valid footing in the discussion due to probably being too young to have been around when stuff this good was new.

Come on Borings. I'm awaiting your next drone/safety in numbers replies.

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I was in ibiza for 99-2000 for the summer so dont school me on when trance was good (invites flames). There isn't an "artistic" industry standard the idea is ludacrus, however getting your art into a presentable format i.e sounding good is a skill in itself. So without trying to critisize someones artistic input into a track (which is entirely subjective, even without mentioning the fact your going against popular opinion on this board) why dont you at least try to act grown up enough to respect someones hard learned skill in a technical area? For example the guy that built your house are you glad he built it to "industry standard" safety regulations or would you sooner he went his own way with it?

You cant critisize someones art, or you can but you must accept it is entirely your own opinion and without substantiating yourself with some of your own work wont hold much weight around here!

Seriously I made some errors on this board and its not nice having the rath of the board on your ass! chill the fuck out and enjoy yourself.

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