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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Dude you need to take this comment and shove it. You are no wiser than anyone else and your thoughts on what is good and bad are YOUR thoughts. Second of all there is good in most genres if you're open minded. Sure my genres I work in are Prog/Trance but I listen to everything. You are pretty fucking closed minded man. I've always said over and over that people that put down other genres than their own are just assclowns. You're proving to be no better with your comments in this thread.

You call me close-minded but you have no idea what my listening habits and progression have been. Have you ever stopped to think that some people don't like certain types of music because they honestly gave them a try and can't fucking stand them? My opinion is actually based on my own experience with different genres, not on putting genres down just for the sake of putting genres down.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You have the utmost respect for them because they play the same shit as you! Lmfao. As for the second part I agree. They're excuses for why they sell out are laughable and attributable to a lack of intelligence and business sense. However everyone in this thread knows they won't last long and they've already stunted their growth and market as a dj.

No, I have respect for them because they stay true to themselves and play whatever the fuck they want not what they are told to or what they think would earn them more cash. I can say the same thing for people like Ted Promo who plays Dubstep (which is not my cup of tea), and for Adam Vana (nefardec) who plays some of the most obscure, diverse, and old records I have ever heard (some of which I like and some I just don't).

As for the second paragraph, what I said had nothing to do with "business sense". It was more about not being a fucking hypocrite and having some backbone.

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Originally posted by woscar You call me close-minded but you have no idea what my listening habits and progression have been. Have you ever stopped to think that some people don't like certain types of music because they honestly gave them a try and can't fucking stand them? My opinion is actually based on my own experience with different genres, not on putting genres down just for the sake of putting genres down.

LOL? It doesn't matter what your listening habits and progression were. Regardless other people have the same right. Your message you've been implying in here is that you and your music are superior to others. Whatever reason you tell yourself; it's untrue and idiots like Tony and the other cookie cutter djs that have posted moronic statements in this thread have just as much right and inclination to listen to and believe in their music as you do. It doesn't mean I think they deserve to have that right because their attitudes are fucked but they do.

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Originally posted by woscar No, I have respect for them because they stay true to themselves and play whatever the fuck they want not what they are told to or what they think would earn them more cash. I can say the same thing for people like Ted Promo who plays Dubstep (which is not my cup of tea), and for Adam Vana (nefardec) who plays some of the most obscure, diverse, and old records I have ever heard (some of which I like and some I just don't).

Fair enough but you have to realize there are others on this forum that you may have never listened to or heard of who are just as "true to themselves" as your butt buddies. My point is that you're making incendiary comments towards the entire board; of which it's impossible for you to have knowledge of every talent on here.

Just play Deadmau5 and u will get gigs If u wanna go the hipster route, then u better have some releases that people have actually heard of or forget trying to bring something new to the table these days. Playing tunes no one has heard of without a name/following will get u nowhere. This is the state of the scenes atm. It sucks

I don't get the morello hate at all. Whats wrong with enjoying DJing just for the sake of DJing?

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY ...forget trying to bring something new to the table these days. Playing tunes no one has heard of without a name/following will get u nowhere. This is the state of the scenes atm. It sucks

Or learn how to market yourself. Pretty much all there is to it.

Bottom line is most people are lazy and most people gig to get paid or for help with their inferiority complex.

It's sad how few people are in the game for the right reasons.

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Originally posted by Sadface I don't get the morello hate at all. Whats wrong with enjoying DJing just for the sake of DJing?

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Originally posted by Tony Morello pretty much, i'm paid to play what people want to hear, not what i want to hear and if cheesy poppy dance music is what the crowd wants, that's what they get the calgary scene isn't all deep underground tunes, gotta appease the masses or i'm out of a job and yes i do enjoy it, i enjoy playing to packed clubs and walking out with pocketfuls of cash

THAT

And to Woscar; i'm not saying this is true of you but I know in my hometown everyone hates my music. It's all about breakstep, dubstep and other inane genres that people spin to be different because they got beat up and made fun of in high school

It was universally concluded that these people hated popular edm music because it got more play and makes more money than their genres of choice.

One could easily conclude that you hate on "bullshit kiddie music" as you referred to it for the simple reason that you're jealous of the appeal it has to such a big demograpic of people.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Just play Deadmau5 and u will get gigs If u wanna go the hipster route, then u better have some releases that people have actually heard of or forget trying to bring something new to the table these days. Playing tunes no one has heard of without a name/following will get u nowhere. This is the state of the scenes atm. It sucks

That's the way it was in '93. The megalomaniacal, carpet-bagging, weasels have moved back in and put a firm choke-hold on the market. Nevermind that their dismissal from the fringe was born out of a seeming and tacit requirement for innovation - something scarce in the Top 40/"Alternative" meat-markets. Perhaps, it's too many choices or the simple fact that a known quantity (AvB) is greater than an unknown quantity (Mark Asbrey and his ilk ).

Whatever the case, it's safe to assume that music made today has departed from its roots firmly planted in the global psychedelic experience and now songs purveying the narcissistic conception of ideal love are allowed to fester - their hideous visage a fixture on many a dance-floor. "Have another drinkypoo and he'll look better... but not in the morning."

The meat-market days are back, in full force. But don't blame AvB. Blame the crowd for being too dumb to even conceive of; and too cowed to dare and demand better.

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LOL mfitterer, who's coming up with the assclown arguments?

I don't like it because it doesn't appeal to me in any way anymore. It's really that simple.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 THAT

That's ridiculous. He obviously enjoys Djing and furthermore he clearly understands his role as a DJ. He realizes that the party is not about him but about the kids in the club. They're not going out to indulge his personal tastes, they're there to enjoy themselves. It's his job to make sure they like the music, and if he can pull that off and enjoy himself in the process I don't see anything wrong.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Confidence bro; try it. You can play whatever you want wherever you want whenever you want. Grow some balls and start something new instead of feeding the trends. Have some balls and tell a promoter you won't play for them if you can't play what you like. Dj'ing is not profitable enough to sell out unless you're at the top. So wtf are you doing? Go work in a warehouse you'll make more money and contain more dignity.

First, before you can tell a promoter what's up, you need to be someone, have a name first. Only people I know that have that type of power are the ones you criticize. i.e. Tiesto, Armin Van Buuren, Oakenfold, David Guetta, etc. I'm not at that level. I've done much promoting in my life and the way your talking I would never hire you. Second, you don't know Los Angeles do ya. Read my post again, HIP HOP capital of the world. Trance music is fly shit here bro. Trust me. Let me give you a typical club scenario. There are a few clubs I spin at on occasion in Long Beach. Would you like to take a guess where my booth is. Outside patio. Also known as the smoking area. Hip Hop, R&B guys always get the inside. Another note, our type of music is only featured once a week in a Long Beach club, if your lucky. Those are rules, plan and simple. This is LA bro, not Oregon. While we're on the subject, the clubs I do spin at, I'm required to bring my own gear, lights too. Good thing I own a sound and lighting company. Plus you don't make the amount the DJ on the inside gets.

Second, Trance is not an American music style. You need to educate the people first. The music which they're influenced or are slowly getting into is the Deadmau5, Tiesto, Oakenfold stuff. Why do you think we spin this stuff. It's a new style to them. I have a lot friends who are getting into EDM, and boycotting Hip Hop. Would you like to guess what music they're listening too? I've mentioned his name several times. Anywho, The thing about LA is, your bringing in something new. Hip Hop is Goliath, Trance is David. You have to give them a road to start on. It's easier for me to introduce a true LA Hip Hop dude to Tiesto music then it would be with someone like Super 8. These people are used to dancing and listening to tunes which are around the 90-110 beats per minute. You have to baby step some into faster more aggressive music. Samething applies with club owners.

You brought up a good point about warehouse gigs. Yes, I do set up a few of these a year. But I have cut back a bit. Insurance and liability is murder, and not breaking even to cover you expenses, makes it not worth it all the time. You say I need to grow balls? Wow, you really don't have a clue how the industry works. Come to LA and I can show ya. Trust me, with the attitude you have, you will not get far simply because what are you bringing to the table? Do you simply spin records, are you an artist, do you write your own stuff? If your nothing more than a DJ, and you came here with that attitude, have fun bagging groceries. If you don't want to follow the owner and promoters requirements, they'll find someone else. We have thousands of DJ's in LA, they will find someone in a matter of minutes. You're nothing to them.

Lastly, take a look at the DJ Charts. Why is it the ones you dislike are always in the top 10? Either they're doing something right or they don't have balls.