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Originally posted by DigiNut Yeah, buddy, I get to watch residential electricity consumption/demand, and I can tell you straight up that nobody changes their habits after Earth Hour. Hell, most people don't even change it during the hour. Some commercial buildings (and ironically almost no government buildings) turn off the lights, so... great, we save a few hundred bucks of electricity, and immediately afterward they go back to blasting their air conditioners while it's 15° outside. I don't know how else you "measure" awareness, maybe there's something I'm missing, but using the term "open-minded" is so much BS here; what we need is for people to be objective, not open. Every year it's the same thread, same debate, and every year, nothing changes. Every year, more and more people stop giving a crap about Earth Hour, and every year, governments at all levels stubbornly refuse to do the one thing that might actually reduce consumption/demand because it would be politically unpopular: Make the actual cost of electricity more transparent to its users. I'll start being "open-minded" about this the same day people like you start being "open-minded" about a flat tax.

I measure awareness by whether or not people know what is going on and there is dialogue about it.

Do people talk more about energy conservation when there are events like this?

I can say that people I interact with outside of the Internet seem to be a lot more engaged on the matter... whether or not their own activities have changed accordingly.

It's amazing how some things can drive dialogue outside of the internet world of OH YA FUK U EARTH HOUR, I AM FORUM WARRIOR I PISS ON U.

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Originally posted by kaniz Stuff White People Like #18 - Awareness

funny how this is categorized as a white person thing. Because this sounds to me like every "multicultural" minority government sponsored group that exists in Canada.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by daves I measure awareness by whether or not people know what is going on and there is dialogue about it. Do people talk more about energy conservation when there are events like this? I can say that people I interact with outside of the Internet seem to be a lot more engaged on the matter... whether or not their own activities have changed accordingly. It's amazing how some things can drive dialogue outside of the internet world of OH YA FUK U EARTH HOUR, I AM FORUM WARRIOR I PISS ON U.

a yes dialogue amongst social circles that usually consist of people with like minds and little opposition. As opposed to a forum where people from all sides of issues are able to express their opinions.

Awareness. As if people who are against the enviro-hippy agenda arent aware of anything. Quite an assumption. Perhaps its awareness that motivates them to be against silly things like earth hour

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]Some commercial buildings (and ironically almost no government buildings) turn off the lights, so... great, we save a few hundred bucks of electricity, and immediately afterward they go back to blasting their air conditioners while it's 15° outside.

I was about say this.

Whenever I'm driving at night I see pretty much every store and office building has some lights on, and usually their sign, too.
It's fucking ridiculous.
No lights need to be on, the alarm yes (which may trigger lights when tripped), but no lights (especially the sign).

Less people participated this year then last. So this isn't working. Recessions great for making people forget the environment, economic progress at any cost. Toronto should lead by example and come up with something more effective in changing minds then one f***ing hour a year... Conservation month? Or how about starting a complete change towards a sustainable conservation life style in toronto starting with government run facilities and industry? I work in a government building and we did nothing during earth hour. I even got in shit for turning some lights off...

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Originally posted by c-mal I was about say this. Whenever I'm driving at night I see pretty much every store and office building has some lights on, and usually their sign, too. It's fucking ridiculous. No lights need to be on, the alarm yes (which may trigger lights when tripped), but no lights (especially the sign).

lighting deters criminals. Alarms not so much because criminals know it takes awhile for authorities to arrive.

To ask business to turn all their lights off would just be inviting more trouble. Would you want to live in a dark city?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Ferg Less people participated this year then last. So this isn't working. Recessions great for making people forget the environment, economic progress at any cost. Toronto should lead by example and come up with something more effective in changing minds then one f***ing hour a year... Conservation month? Or how about starting a complete change towards a sustainable conservation life style in toronto starting with government run facilities and industry? I work in a government building and we did nothing during earth hour. I even got in shit for turning some lights off...

I agree... and we are. Look around at all the LED lighting being put in. I think its excellent!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Ferg Less people participated this year then last. So this isn't working. Recessions great for making people forget the environment, economic progress at any cost. Toronto should lead by example and come up with something more effective in changing minds then one f***ing hour a year... Conservation month? Or how about starting a complete change towards a sustainable conservation life style in toronto starting with government run facilities and industry? I work in a government building and we did nothing during earth hour. I even got in shit for turning some lights off...

We don't need any more marketing for conservation. As I already said, people who care about saving the world are already doing that. The ones who don't care are still not going to care even if you have a conservation month, conservation year or conservation decade....they just are not going to care.

The only reason I turn off lights in my house is because I pay for the electricity. If I didn't pay for it I probably wouldn't turn off a single light in the house.

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Originally posted by c-mal I was about say this. Whenever I'm driving at night I see pretty much every store and office building has some lights on, and usually their sign, too. It's fucking ridiculous. No lights need to be on, the alarm yes (which may trigger lights when tripped), but no lights (especially the sign).

Most buildings have cleaners in them at night so that could be part of the reason they have lights on. If anything should be lit up its the sign....advertising makes companies money....and its perfect advertising.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 lighting deters criminals. Alarms not so much because criminals know it takes awhile for authorities to arrive. To ask business to turn all their lights off would just be inviting more trouble. Would you want to live in a dark city?

Well, apart from the asshat criminals who ruin everything, I see no problem with living in a "Dark city" if it entails that businesses, while closed, will turn off all their lights to conserve.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If anything should be lit up its the sign....advertising makes companies money....and its perfect advertising.

They can advertise the other 16 or so hours of the day just fine.
It's not like they have an advantage by advertising at night, since every business does it, just as they all do during the day.

Plus, in the late hours of the night, most of the demographic they're advertising to are either asleep or too wasted to care/remember at that point in time.