Honestly, I know that the gender thing doesn't really matter. I just found it odd that she mentioned it like it was a "typical male trait", when, if anything, often the opposite is considered to be the norm.

But who knows, nowadays women are getting jobs and voting and all kinds of crazy shit.

But who decided it was the norm? Where did that come from? To be honest, I actually have known a lot more clueless/out of tune men than women when it comes to knowing their wants/needs/motivations, etc.

Perhaps to men, it seems as though women don't know what they want because they aren't straight with you about it. But that doesn't mean they don't know what they want, it means they don't know how to be honest, lol. Accuse women of playing games by all means...but don't accuse them of not knowing what they want. I'd argue they know exactly what they want, and that they'll do whatever ruthless conniving shit they have to do to get it.

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Originally posted by jennypie But who decided it was the norm? Where did that come from? To be honest, I actually have known a lot more clueless/out of tune men than women when it comes to knowing their wants/needs/motivations, etc. Perhaps to men, it seems as though women don't know what they want because they aren't straight with you about it. But that doesn't mean they don't know what they want, it means they don't know how to be honest, lol. Accuse women of playing games by all means...but don't accuse them of not knowing what they want. I'd argue they know exactly what they want, and that they'll do whatever ruthless conniving shit they have to do to get it.

Hm, interesting way to put it.

Since you mention my experience... my experiences would seem to indicate that you are right that it has to do with being honest, but more so with them being honest with themselves.

That, of course, can go two ways... a woman's dishonesty with herself, or a man's naivety in taking words and actions at face value.

True, true. Fair point.

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Originally posted by jennypie I don't think that fact is even an issue of gender. Most people are fucking morons who don't know what they want, period. Has nothing to do with what's between one's legs.

Tell that to Lira after his encounter on the dance floor

In this situation she should find someone else. Its funny how long people will cling to each other despite that the relationship isn't working. I'm sure he's a great guy and you love him blah blah blah... But if you were single and was reading a guy's bio and it said works all the time and when I get home I'm emotionally drained and don't like to talk... Omg what a keeper!!!111

/slylee

lol @ people saying they should split up because he doesn't like to talk when he's having a bad day.

That's hardly enough pieces of the puzzle to justify a breakup...

im not going to speak for your boyfriend, but i know when i'm stressed, all i really want from my girlfriend is a relaxed time, with sex if i have enough energy. if i don't, sloppy bj's are more than welcome if not preferred

i'd also want my girlfriend to come and go as i please. most guys have things they prefer to do when stressed (workout, play video games, verbally attack people on internet forums...). what sucks is i don't really have that luxury, as when my girlfriend visits me, or i visit her, it's a bit of a trip and she doesn't have a car at this point. so this second point is voided at the moment, and i can tell you its not ideal. not to say i wouldnt want to see her during that day because i want to go to the gym, but its a minor inconvenience that i can't squeeze everything i want to in because of the traveling restrictions. /end personal rant

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I agree with Jenny in that it has nothing to do with gender.
My best friend is completely clueless as to what she wants... I know her very well so I can often figure out that she means B when she says she wants A.

I am aware of the fact that I sometimes do this myself --- but AT LEAST I give my boyfriend fair warning

i.e., "Babe, my period's coming soon and I've been fucking psycho all day today - so take any negative comments with a grain of salt and remember that I am, in fact, completely normal and I love you"

He often knows to just agree with everything at these times and to not debate anything.

The reverse is MUCH more complicated --- he's stressed and DOES NOT KNOW what will make him feel better/relax/turn it off for home time.
This results in "trail and error" on my part.

In recent weeks, I have learned to gently steer our time together in a certain direction. The key is to make him think that he's making the decision.
For example, walking around nonchalantly in his view wearing cheeky panties, which leads to his decision to initiate sex.
Note: his decision

No mounting, or no-questions-asked blowing or "running around like a chicken with my head cut off"
Not my style
(I resent that phrase btw, Fledz. I will have you know that I have a completely calm demeanour, most of the time)

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

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Originally posted by igottaknow Tell that to Lira after his encounter on the dance floor In this situation she should find someone else. Its funny how long people will cling to each other despite that the relationship isn't working. I'm sure he's a great guy and you love him blah blah blah... But if you were single and was reading a guy's bio and it said works all the time and when I get home I'm emotionally drained and don't like to talk... Omg what a keeper!!!111 /slylee

this post is fairly upsetting. i doubt if this was the way he was when they first met, they'd have stayed together. obviously, whatever he's doing he's taken upon himself and i'm assuming, being a supportive girlfriend as she should be, she's stuck by him even though it's a lot of work (for both of them).

i doubt he's even "emotionally" drained, it's just most guys when somethings bothering them such as an overload of work, you already KNOW the issue. you already KNOW what's going on. just because he doesn't want to sit and have a lengthy chat about how stressed he is doesn't mean he's closing lines of communication lol

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Don't become upset over something igottaknow says. Pretty sure he still lives with his mother.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Tell that to Lira after his encounter on the dance floor In this situation she should find someone else. Its funny how long people will cling to each other despite that the relationship isn't working. I'm sure he's a great guy and you love him blah blah blah... But if you were single and was reading a guy's bio and it said works all the time and when I get home I'm emotionally drained and don't like to talk... Omg what a keeper!!!111 /slylee

lol

You seriously never fail to confirm my belief that you are a complete moron

Are 18+ relationships completely foreign to you?
Do you seriously just sit by your PC all day watching jailbait videos on YouTube and fingering your asshole?

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

Some dance to remember ~ Some dance to forget