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Zak McKracken
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the good producers moved on and produced awesome prog instead. and then they moved on again making house. then they moved on again and made minimal. you are all just hanging behind lol.

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Whirloop
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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: trance elite street

quote:
Originally posted by Whirloop
And they have the gut to call every new bedroom producer 'a genius' and every new track is 'awesome' and 'mindblowing'.

No wonder you get inflation.

But that's the way it goes when money must be made in the end.


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Originally posted by Woonyxoxo
Money must be made in the end? 99.8% of the labels don't make any decent money anyways. Of course there is an inflation of tunes, but money is not the reason. I think its incredibly stupid when people say trance is dead because of "the money" when these days you make less money with selling music (=Trance)than ever.


Never claimed that money killed trance music really, but it's more complex than that.
What i meant was that when money must be made, we get labels who spit out loads of neat little packages of branded new artists no one ever heard of and calling them geniuses and unique when infact they are nothing special at all, the music too for that matter.
What next is a pretentious scene where everything is about reaching as high in whatever producer/dj top list or hierarchy there is, and people will care less about the music itself.
After that people will finally get bored when they realize it's just plastic shell with nothing real behind it, no peace and love attitude of the 90s you know. Perhaps not the money that diminished trance, but the pretentiousness that perhaps was born out of a quest for fame probably did.


Of course people will get bored if exposed to the same stuff too much, that's just natural in any situation. But when the biggest labels try and squeeze the last drop of what's left in trance music most people will finally give up and move on.

I never gave up the hope for trance music though, but i find it quite nice not to have to deal with a lot of copycat producers trying to imitate my own sound for cheap bucks for instance. A more narrow scene makes more room for those few producers that are left.

But i don't think trance music ever made anyone especially rich. Of course we have the big fancy DJ-producers like Ferry and Tiësto but they are like their own brand, promoting their own stuff through their own DJship as well as a good management apparatus. But the music alone is nothing you can make any money out, never has been either i believe, not in these times like you said.


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Orko
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Registered: Nov 2002
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MeLLyMeL
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Armada and the monopoly they have created and the stupid labels for selling out - to them.


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R!CH
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Registered: Sep 2004
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nobody killed trance. it died of natural causes.


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Mr.Mystery
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quote:
Originally posted by 19503
the good producers moved on and produced awesome prog instead. and then they moved on again making house. then they moved on again and made minimal. you are all just hanging behind lol.

You're right - jumping on bandwagons killed trance.


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SuspicionVandit
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and now, for a serious post.



Newsweek, Rolling Stone Magazine, The Holy Bible. How did it ever come to be that a publication could hold an entire industry in its palm, entitled with the responsibility of its vitality, prosper and evolution? Every few decades appears a collection of literary works which shape the way a society or culture will think, behave and ultimately, fail. It gains the trust of the people with the agenda of creating a mass flock of sheep. When it says jump, you jump. When it says buy, you buy. And when it says die, you pull the trigger. Ball is in their court. Power has shifted to their gravel. Control. It's all about control and power.

Let me take you back to a time a little over 10 years ago in an alternate universe called Hip Hop. Once the "most trusted magazine for hip hop news and culture", The Source, loosely headed the #52,901 greatest rapper in the world (aka, the second worst rapper in the world. second only to Zack Morris from Saved by the Bell, look it up on wikipedia),it was found to be the most corrupt, maligned and misguided publication of the past century. Rappers would pay a premium to recieve positive reviews and head executives with an agenda would request that unfavorable rivals received poor ratings. Benzino used his position at The Source to place an overwhelming amount of advertisements for his projects, particularly in periods of time where he could make the most money by downplaying other artist's big releases.
Allegations of race related criticisms, raunchy staff behavior and a bribe induced "rapper of the year" list can be overlooked by the offensive of misrepresenting themselves as an unbiased news source and misusing the gained trust for their own financial well being.

Now this all came to a comical and embarassing end in about 2004. There are several coincidences that occur at this particular time.
1) hip hop sales are at a decade low. From 1995 to 2004, 2004 had extremely weak sales of hip hop. Where The Source went, hip hop went. The People would get led by The Source to buy this, buy that, buy this CD, buy this fashion, go to this club. When The People could no longer trust The Source, they could no longer trust the music. "Now, who can tell me what I like?"
2) Mixmag grows. Immensely. The jump from the year 2000 to 2001, Mixmags revenue grows a shade under 200%, in particular to the explosion of trance popularity in The United States. The coerce the lost soul with a "free CD." And believe me, these CDs are great. I have 2 from Paul Van Dyk (which I bought from Ebay a year ago, but the principle stands). But did Reflections really deserve a perfect score?
If Paul Van Dyk helps Mixmag sells their magazine with a free compilation CD, and PVD's Reflections disc gets a perfect score (it was "ok" at best), then shouldn't there be a moment to reflect on the events of The Source? Lil Kim (aka, "my pussy and my crack")got a near perfect score (4.5 out of 5) for a garbage CD, but she was fucking Benzino. Do you see Lil Kim is no different that Paul Van dyk?

Essentially, the magazines are helping the artists by any means necessary- immorally, unethically or otherwise- to help feed a propaganda machine which they, in turn, profit from. It's not that they review artists who just happen to be great. It's that they actually say "Is Carl Cox the second coming of Jesus?" They relish themselves in the idea that they came up with the terms for Superstar DJs, SUPER clubs and, ultimately "THE DEFINITIVE ANNUAL TOP DJ LIST."
They push the idea that DJing takes talent, that clubs get you laid and that the music is tolerable without drugs. They make the reader, a sad pathetic soul who still reads print periodicals, worship this culture as if its an experience exclusive to a Saturday night under a full moon on a leap year. Humans which need to be ranked, a rank which needs to be publicized, a publication which holds the industry in its palm, a palm with loads and loads of cash.

oh god, friday night. Gilmore girls at 2am baby


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SuspicionVandit
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Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by iTranscendence
DJ Mag's hot 100 poll.

Prove me wrong.


yeah, that's the shorter version


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iTranscendence
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Yeah yours was nice, but tl;dr. and might I add a waste of your time. There is more important things you could be doing with it, than explaining to the hopelessly inept why things are the way they are. Like, for instance:

*Watching paint dry
*Visiting the library of congress
*searching the COR for threads started by Slylee


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Rodri Santos
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Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Milan

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Two simple answers:

Armada
Anjunabeats


Who tried to save trance?

J00f
Platipus


4 words, 4 facts.

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Sykonee
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
ect. etc...

Muzik was actually a pretty good rag.


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