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Originally posted by Zombie0729 i personally feel like label feedback is much appreciated, they listen, in my opinion, more closely than your friends would. they have a vested interest to do so, it's their name they're slapping at the end of this release. XYZ Artist - XYZ Track [XYZ Label]. now most label's won't give you ultimatums regarding changes, they'll simply give advice. humor them, give it a try and see if you concur. if you really feel like it does a disservice to your track, tell the label, most of them are promoting artistic creativity on a daily basis... they'll understand.

Agree. Maybe they are just making suggestions and seeing what the OP thinks. He didn't actually mention that the track wouldn't be released unless he made the changes...

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Bingo; also is there not legal precedent to tear up the deal because they signed it then requested the changes? This seems crooked Also; lets stop acting like adding A SECOND LEAD is the same as turning a compressors ratio down. That's basically asking to completely change the musical idea the artist came up with.

Yes and no. As far as I'm aware, once you sign a track to a label, you give them distribution rights, but they have no obligation to release it. Thats whats wrong with the current contracts in dance music, you get no advance, they don't have to release the track, and you can't sign it to another label because you've signed away the rights. So they can hold that over you, because if they don't release the track, you make no money. They can basically ask for whatever changes they like on that basis. You can refuse, but you'll be the one to lose out.

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Originally posted by spazztick And man, just stop it. "So many problems"? You should quit the 'biz right now if you think these are problems. You won't cut it. This isn't a problem - You're being offered a service that people in any other field would call "creative consulting" and it's a quite expensive one too.

You might be tiesto for all I know and be the most succesful producer in the world. But I think your completely wrong about this. Many people send their tracks off to be mastered professionally. Most people never see any money from their releases, so this is money down the toilet for them. If the label wants an element added after the track is already mastered, that means another round of mastering, which will cost more money which the producer will never get back. That seems like a pretty big problem to me, and if the label doesn't realise that, I think that's unprofessional.

My 2 cents.

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Originally posted by Number2 Thanks but no thanks...Id rather give up the release...and wait for a better opportunity.

Have a feeling this is going to be what has to happen but in the end it will only make you realize that the industry doesn't own you if you don't let them.

You didn't understand a single thing I wrote.

Yes, I always send off my tracks to be mastered professionally, ESPECIALLY if the label aren't paying for it... (because that automatically puts my track above the pile when compared to their other releases).

This guy did it himself, right? Atleast that's what the OP said, so there's your argument right out the window.

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Originally posted by spazztick This guy did it himself, right? Atleast that's what the OP said, so there's your argument right out the window.

Not really. That's still time wasted on the process, in the first place. If they're happy with the master he submitted but want him to back up and add another part, that's kind of a prick move.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Not really. That's still time wasted on the process, in the first place. If they're happy with the master he submitted but want him to back up and add another part, that's kind of a prick move.

Exactly! Glad someone understands this.

Yes I do my own mastering...mastering takes time...time = money. Simple concept...yes?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Not really. That's still time wasted on the process, in the first place. If they're happy with the master he submitted but want him to back up and add another part, that's kind of a prick move.

The post I replied to only focused on money being involved.

And even then, a new lead will most likely be 10 minutes worth of work on mastering, if even that.

It'll be alot more time wasted if the label puts out an "alright" record. You need to stand out these days and having something the label is absolutely over the moon about is a great way to stay on top.

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Originally posted by Number2 Exactly! Glad someone understands this. Yes I do my own mastering...mastering takes time...time = money. Simple concept...yes?

...Apparently your time isn't money, since you're ready to work with a label you think are doing horrible things to you.

A great body of work is worth a few minutes of mastering.

10 min? Sorry, presets are for pussies.

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Originally posted by Number2 10 min? Sorry, presets are for pussies.

Sorry, my hardware doesn't have presets.

Even easier if you used software! Just recall it and make that little tiny, tiny tweak to make it sound as good as possible.

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man u talk about this as if it where the 90s and u still made money on music. pointless discussion. make the track exactly how u want it and release it wherever you want (where the label is cool people) or just give it away for free everywhere. or release it yourself.

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Originally posted by Number2

My medicine is named Tegretol Retard *lol*

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Originally posted by Number2

Read through our discussion and take notice of what a little kid you are. If this is how you treat people, you should be happy they're only asking you to do minor changes.