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Originally posted by Kismet7 Well why dont you do a test. Go on a forum that focuses on studios, and post two ads looking for an internship. One that says you are this great guy, you have drive, you will deliver coffee on your head like an egyptian, and you will give back rubs, and you want to learn how to work the studio. And another that says all that except the last part + you have a degree that is based on studio curriculum. Lets put fairytale method to work against my logic based method. You will like not get any responses from the first ad.

you won't get any replies from either you numbnuts.

Lol.

Kismet, read my last post. You have to ask them, not the other way around. You seem to think there's an abundance of studios just desperate for college grads

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Which bit of this don't fucking you get. I did not have a job there. I wanted a job at ANY studio when I arrived in the states. and this is how I got it. This is how EVERY person there on the engineering side got it. This is how every person I have known who got a job as an engineer got their position. You can cry and moan as much as you want but your version of the truth is the fairy tale, and not mine or M4B's. I can't say this any other way - they just don't care about your degree. They care if you'll work hard and have a brain. Yes a degree can be an indicator of that fact but your still going to have to be runner to prove it to them. I've watched a few guys with qualifications, real talent, and knowledge fall by the wayside becuase they couldn't hack the running and felt like "what am I doing? I've got a fucking degree!", while guys who didn't even have degrees (high school only) toughed it out and got the jobs. they want to test you, then mold you in to shape. In modern society degrees can help you in nearly every field, but this is one where it just doesn't really do anything (apart from for your own knowledge) as there are no shortcuts (unless you have uber connections but that's a different discussion altogether). You may well be able to learn faster after you finally get that chance to engineer and you may shine brighter once you're there, but I'm sorry it's not going to get your foot in the door any faster than the guy who did a 3 month music production course or the guy how has been making music at home for a year and knows his basics on Protools or Logic. please keep pissing and moaning but it's not going to change anything. This is how it is in pro studios and post production houses all over the world. I work in this field, have done in two countries and see it every single day. Just deal with it already. So either start making serious connections or get ready to be a runner.

Its 2010 and going forward...we're not talking about when you came to America on a boat, the studio climate has changed in the past few years. Get a clue. No reasonable studio would hire someone without some experience these days, when they can hire a kid with experience via a studio based education. I'll ride this as long as you guys want, because the logic is undeniable, and your delusions of how society and professional places work is out of touch with reality and modern times. I'd never hire a kid who has no experience, when I can get the same kid with a similar character that needs less training. I can watch you guys try to prove otherwise with fairy tale stories all day

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lol

STUDIO desperately looking for help

must at least have a 2 year recording program and a GED.
Must also have 2 references from professors and a GPA of 3 and higher.
Starting wage : 50 000 + benefits
Ability to make technos a bonus.


hahaha dj Rann off the boat like you were part of the irish influx during the 19century famine. lol He has been doing it for 2 --- two ---- 01 years. lol fucking monkey.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Lol. Kismet, read my last post. You have to ask them, not the other way around. You seem to think there's an abundance of studios just desperate for college grads

Yes but they are interested in someone who walks in without any knowledge of a how a studio works hoping to learn from scratch. Meanwhile the studio is hit by tight budgets and time constraints due to the economy and studios finding less work

You guys aren't looking out for anyone, just sharing how your lucky story worked...but its out of touch with reality and modern times.

Fuck...I need popcorn now.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad lol STUDIO desperately looking for help must at least have a 2 year recording program and a GED. Must also have 2 references from professors and a GPA of 3 and higher. Starting wage : 50 000 + benefits Ability to make technos a bonus.

Reason Users given extra consideration.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Yes but they are interested in someone who walks in without any knowledge of a how a studio works hoping to learn from scratch. Meanwhile the studio is hit by tight budgets and time constraints due to the economy and studios finding less work You guys aren't looking out for anyone, just sharing how your lucky story worked...but its out of touch with reality and modern times. Fuck...I need popcorn now.

Dude, RUNNERS DON'T GET PAID! it does not cost them anything to have a starving runner sit there in the studio and learn. And if they don't learn they replace them.

it's harsh but that's how it goes. Even when you do get an assistant engineering position you get paid peanuts (often minimum wage). That's why they want you to run, to see if you can handle it.

Jesus, just give up trying to fight it.

I fucking wish someone would have told me this shit before I tried to get in to so be fucking greteful you've got some people taking the time share how it really is with you.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Dude, RUNNERS DON'T GET PAID! it does not cost them anything to have a starving runner sit there in the studio and learn. And if they don't learn they replace them. it's harsh but that's how it goes. Even when you do get an assistant engineering position you get paid peanuts (often minimum wage). That's why they want you to run, to see if you can handle it. Jesus, just give up trying to fight it. I fucking wish someone would have told me this shit before I tried to get in to so be fucking greteful you've got some people taking the time share how it really is with you.

If were talking about hiring a runner...a runner with a studio degree would be far better catch than a random kid that wants to be in the studio, given they both have the equal character and communication traits. This is so easy lol.

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Rann or brad, how do you suggest to approach these studios?

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Originally posted by msz Rann or brad, how do you suggest to approach these studios?

puppy dog eyeszzz and a reallly nice shirt.

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you know that feeling when you ask the first girl you ever asked out. You just go in there, state your intentions, and hope for the best. You get rejected, you go next month. You don't give up. You go to every studio and keep going till someone says yes. It really is that simple. Don't bother emailing or phoning asking for an internship. I suppose calling or emailing regarding the studio and what they do can't hurt but nobody is going to give you an interview if you email or call. You show up in person, they size you up. And thats about it. Sort of like unsolicited music. They don't /won't give you something just by calling or emailing. You really have to want it and they have to sense it.

there are lots of studios of all different sizes. If the big ones don't care for you, try a smaller one. Try anything. Beggars can't be choosers. And save some money before you embark on this endeavour.

understood, cheers.