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Originally posted by Takayuki You people are completely missing the point. Deadmau5 does NOT care what trash you talk about him... all of that is what created the publicity and ultimately his global exposure to show people what he IS trying to do. He never was nor will he ever be categorized as a "DJ". His sentiments are very clear: DJ's are a thing of the past and it was a completely different era in the 90's where it was fresh. He has been flamed in the past for his arrogant commentary on the scene and "artists" altogether but all he was trying to convey to people is that he is NOT trying to be another DJ. He wants to manipulate and push the boundaries of technology for the newer generation so that he can be innovative in PRODUCING a live show for people rather than simply getting paid to beat match 2 tracks together for hours on end. So lets try to understand Joel' prerogative: (Joel please interject as necessary) 1. Deadmau5 is NOT a DJ and does NOT want to be pigeon-holed into this category... ever. 2. Deadmau5 is doing everything he can to push the boundaries of technology while infusing it with an "electronic" sound. 3. Deadmau5 manipulates tracks on the spot at his live shows very much like Paul Kalkbrenner would for live PA's. 4. Deadmau5 is doing everything he can to create a unique experience to inject into what seems like a very stale, repetitive scene which is now approaching its 3rd decade. 5. The visual experience is there to compliment the audible experience instead of the vice versa. 6. Deadmau5 has no intentions of using other peoples music at his live shows since he wants the people to be there for HIS music and for the Deadmau5 experience as a whole.

Sure, I'm all for most of what you're saying except the last part. The trouble with that is thre's a fine line between being an artist (enterainer) like at concerts where you only play your own stuff vs. being a dj, where you play a bit of your own stuff plus others' tunes.

I for one want both of those things if at all possible but I hear where Joel's coming from as well.

I see more flexibility with combining your tracks with others' music. I also get wanting to push your sound out there to those who love it (aka playing only your own music/concert type of deal).

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Sure, I'm all for most of what you're saying except the last part. The trouble with that is thre's a fine line between being an artist (enterainer) like at concerts where you only play your own stuff vs. being a dj, where you play a bit of your own stuff plus others' tunes. I for one want both of those things if at all possible but I hear where Joel's coming from as well. I see more flexibility with combining your tracks with others' music. I also get wanting to push your sound out there to those who love it (aka playing only your own music/concert type of deal).

By definition you are still a DJ even if you play only your own tracks.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Sure, I'm all for most of what you're saying except the last part. The trouble with that is thre's a fine line between being an artist (enterainer) like at concerts where you only play your own stuff vs. being a dj, where you play a bit of your own stuff plus others' tunes.

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Originally posted by Intangible By definition you are still a DJ even if you play only your own tracks.

I disagree... if you are a producer, you are much more a musician.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I disagree... if you are a producer, you are much more a musician.

hows that disagree with what I said??

I just said by definition a person who only plays his/her own tracks is still a DJ.


And personally I think a musician is a musician... it doesn't matter how much of a musician you are. Djing and producing both require different skill sets and its unfair to say one is more of an art than the other.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave being an artist (entertainer) like at concerts where you only play your own stuff vs. being a dj, where you play a bit of your own stuff plus others' tunes.

That's exactly the thing though... he is far closer to an entertainer at a concert than he is a DJ.

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I see more flexibility with combining your tracks with others' music.

He does combine his tracks with other peoples music. However, out of an entire live performance by him you might find only a a few select tracks that are NOT his. Ultimately, he IS catering to both sides of the spectrum but at the same time he is leaning more towards what HE wants out of the live performance. Its much like when a DJ is an up and comer and has to play out to what the audience wants to hear. As time goes by and that DJ starts getting bigger he will start playing more specific to his niche sound despite what people may or may not like. Thus, he no longer caters to what the audience wants because hes already built up the rapport of his fans to show them that when you go to a Deadmau5 show you are there for his unique visual/audio experience.

The people going to his show should have a good indication of what they are going to hear prior to going (primarily his own productions). Expecting a "DJ" like performance is simply setting yourself up for failure. This is true the majority of the time when people have specific expectations when going to see their favourite DJ. They are expecting to hear a specific sound or track because that DJ might have played it before or at another show in another city or in prior years but like every artist, their sound evolves and changes and its the only way for an artist to progress forward. Otherwise their sound, passion and everything else that makes them what they are become stagnant.

This is very true for Tiesto and something Deadmau5 has avoided quite well. Since the birth of Tiesto' massive trance productions and his huge success, he has been UNSUCCESSFUL at turning the other cheek to show people that he is far more capable of exploring other genres instead of making big room trance for decades on end. Everyone going to a Tiesto show EXPECTS him to play his classic sound of the early 00's which simply won't happen anymore unless a specific event is very special to him.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I disagree... if you are a producer, you are much more a musician.

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A disc jockey (also known as 'DJ' or deejay) is a person who selects and plays recorded music for an audience

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A music producer can, in some cases, be compared to a film director in that a music producer's job is to create, shape, and mold a piece of music. The scope of responsibility may be one or two songs or an artist's entire album – in which case the producer will typically develop an overall vision for the album and how the various songs may interrelate.

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A musician is a person who writes, performs, or makes music.

looks like he's all 3

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I disagree... if you are a producer, you are much more a musician.

I concur. DJ's manipulate other peoples sound while producers are the creators of the sound that DJ's manipulate.

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Originally posted by Takayuki You people are completely missing the point. Deadmau5 does NOT care what trash you talk about him... all of that is what created the publicity and ultimately his global exposure to show people what he IS trying to do. He never was nor will he ever be categorized as a "DJ". His sentiments are very clear: DJ's are a thing of the past and it was a completely different era in the 90's where it was fresh. He has been flamed in the past for his arrogant commentary on the scene and "artists" altogether but all he was trying to convey to people is that he is NOT trying to be another DJ. He wants to manipulate and push the boundaries of technology for the newer generation so that he can be innovative in PRODUCING a live show for people rather than simply getting paid to beat match 2 tracks together for hours on end. So lets try to understand Joel' prerogative: (Joel please interject as necessary) 1. Deadmau5 is NOT a DJ and does NOT want to be pigeon-holed into this category... ever. 2. Deadmau5 is doing everything he can to push the boundaries of technology while infusing it with an "electronic" sound. 3. Deadmau5 manipulates tracks on the spot at his live shows very much like Paul Kalkbrenner would for live PA's. 4. Deadmau5 is doing everything he can to create a unique experience to inject into what seems like a very stale, repetitive scene which is now approaching its 3rd decade. 5. The visual experience is there to compliment the audible experience instead of the vice versa. 6. Deadmau5 has no intentions of using other peoples music at his live shows since he wants the people to be there for HIS music and for the Deadmau5 experience as a whole.

should have picked up on all this, wow. The mousehead is so distracting.

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Originally posted by Enjoy a classic from the aria days: me: are you on TA? girl: uhhhh... im on speed

Honestly, what does it matter?!?! This city is all know it all but 60% of the time fails when it comes to supporting the scene...

I think its great that Joel is doing this because at least people who are new to the scene or don't know about it will actually start paying more attention to what's out there.

The EDM scene is evolving, just like anything else with time. It sucks, especially for the older generation who are used to the old school EDM but what can ya do? Just learn to adapt I suppose...

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Originally posted by Donald_Duck The Place Where Music Lives In Yourself But As A Scene That Time Is Done Theres A New Underground Now This Music Isnt It Anymore It Lost The Things That Made It Interesting From The Music To The People These Guys Are Lady Gaga Madonna Etc Imitations Of The Real Things Some Of The Real Things Cant Be Played Because There Not North American Theres No Problem With Radio Maybe The Music On The Radio Sucks But Thats Because Most Canadian DJs Like Mickey Mouse Dont Know Shit About Music Or Creating Something Without Going Down South They Get The Kneepads Out If These Guys Were About A Scene They Would Build One Here For You Not Lie About Joee Built A Scene That Created Alot Of EDM DJs These EDM DJs Were Ginos From Woodbridge Listening To Cheesy Euro & Exactly Like Joee They Are Selling Out & The Music Again Sounds Like Cheesy Euro Mickey Mouse & Most Canadian DJs Especially The Corny Ones From Woodbridge Are Arriba They Dont Know Shit But They Are Good AT Selling You Products But The Music Is A Harder Sell So They HAve To Shine It Up A Bit

whats with the caps on every word

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Originally posted by darouge11 whats with the caps on every word

LOL he called him Joee

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Originally posted by ÖZmözis Honestly, what does it matter?!?! This city is all know it all but 60% of the time fails when it comes to supporting the scene...

amen.

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