For a forum dedicated to trance I'm amazed you guys haven't mentioned ecstasy.

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Weird coming from someone who took a shitload of adderall

(in response to JEO's steroid bias) I think a large problem with drugs is the way children are educated about them. Its too much fear inducing bullshit propaganda then actual facts about what they do.

Like the commerical with that guy on steroids who beats his parents and throws furniture around the house then it says something like "steroids ruin lives". Its complete bullshit, stupid people ruin lives, not steroids.
There is a correct way and a wrong way to do everything in life. A car, a gun, steroids, ANYTHING can be used the right way or wrong way.
When some idiot teenager drives off the road and dies we don't blame the car, we don't even blame the teenager whos the real culprit. But for some reason when a teenager shoots themself or ODs on drugs guns/drugs become the problem and STILL not the idiot teenager.

If your cousin had a bad reaction and you are now bias, you are basing your beliefs on someone elses ignorance, not what is objective and real. Because I've honestly never seen a single person educate themselves properly about steroids, then misuse them. It doesn't happen. Its the kids who buy them, and have a 30min conversation with their dealer on how to use them that fuck their bodies up.
But the reality is steroids are safer than most things I can think of when used PROPERLY. I'm trying to get back on topic here but you sound unjustifiably bias. For the one bad experience your cousin had theres a forum of 45,000 people called steroid.com having GOOD EXPERIENCES right now. Some of these users have responsibly been using juice for 30+ years w/out a single problem. Its actually extremely common. They promote knowledge, education, and steroids essentially the same way a doctor would if you had low test levels. Theres no "dirty secrets" to find out, everything is laid out plain and clear, and if you do your homework its virtually impossible to fuck the process up.

I'm trying to get back on topic but steroids in particular are one thing I know a bit about. If I told you theres 7 steroids legally being sold in your GNC right now, that are medically worse for your body than traditional steroids like sustanon/deca/dbol, what would you say? Your cousing could have used those, would have under no respect been informed about what the compounds actually are, and would have fucked up his body simply because they're legal. This shit is happening EVERYWHERE. Read the dozens of stories about 18 year old using superdrol and winding up with gyno. If they had KNOWN previously what the compound was, they could have took the precautions to avoid it.
In fact, many steroids are extremely safe. The ones that aren't safe are most of the orals. Even an educated user realizes they stress the liver. But its still not a high risk in any respect. Injectables believe it or not for the most part are the safest. And with enough research its more benefits than consquences. The ONLY thing I don't like about steroids is when they're mixed with wrestlers. Wrestlers are known for depression/substance addictions and many of them abuse steroids w/out a care in the world. They stay on cycle all year round and never give their bodies a chance to recover. To add to this they're doing painkillers everyday, cocaine, and many of them die before reaching 50 due to heart problems. But the ONLY reason steroids are causing that is the ridiculous amounts they use.

You won't ever see that with bodybuilders (dying early) because they compensate by actually knowing about nutrition which lessens the need to abuse steroids to the extent that wrestlers do. Wrestlers know about nutrition but it goes as far as "eggs and beer" for most of them. They really are uneducated about it for the most part.

I really need to get off this topic but I find it too interesting to debate shit like this. I guess it comes with my major because substance abuse counseling is something I will be doing in the near future.. believe it or not lol. Thats my take on steroids however.

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Originally posted by Kysora Weird coming from someone who took a shitload of adderall

I took my dosage to do my work. I didn't take it so that i felt like giving some stranger a massage. Try doing 16 hours of work straight for 3 weeks with no margin of error as a noob. My drug use was functional , not leisure. Not to minimize the possible therapeutic aspects of ecstasy but most people just flail on it. It was fucking hard as hell to take these substances and keep my sanity but a deadline is a deadline and I was trying to prove myself. Some people can do without 8 hours of sleep, i'm not one of them.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad its hard to use terms like heroin without mentioning the purity and supply. Any street drug will be cut with adulterants that will increase the odds of infections, embolisms and overdoses. My only experience with opiates has been pharmaceutical so I cannot associate with the street junkie shooting black tar heroin. The one chemical I do think people need to educate themselves more about is alcohol. It is by far the worst drug on your body and mind. Withdrawal causes strokes more often than heroin. It is responsible for more deaths than any other drug combined. Now as I mentioned, I am a champagne enthusiast and that is about it but I drink perhaps a bottle or 2 if the night is interesting. People that drink 10 - 12 portions of alcohol more than once a week are really doing a number on their body. It is socially accepted but it is absolutely awful for your body. I used to take 600 mgs of lyrica daily for my anxiety but stopped as I found a more long term solution. That drug is like drinking 2 bottles minus all the negative toxic effects liquor provides. The problem with these types of gamma receptor affecting drugs including GHB is that people use them to date rape girls which is fucking gross. But talk to any body builder who won't take anything bad for their body and they will only mention GHB as it is absolutely benign. Even Benzodiazpines are just as hard on your body and mind than opiates and according to many studies just as hard to come off. I know this first hand as I've had anxiety issues my whole life and when I was doing my stint in hollywood not sleeping trying to get work done, it was my only refuge. It was a nightmare to quit. I would take Adderall ( speed) to stay alert and xanax to take the edge off. This is recommended for max 1 month. I did this for 8 months. I needed a month vacation but I honestly had no choice. I needed to perform. I was aware of the problem and was upset I had to rely on these things but Hollywood is a brutal place to work. Anyways, as much as I ever talk about drugs, I am quite a proponent for exercise and sobriety with the occasional tea. Champagne on the weekend is fine. YOu don't tend to abuse things that cost 200$ a bottle. But I am older and wiser. I had quite a myriad of pharmaceutical substance abuses thru out my bachelors and master degree and my entry into my field. It is only recently with the balancing act of work and health have I recently been able to do what I have to do sober without anything else but a nice green tea. I"m sure djRann can elaborate on the insane hours Hollywood likes to abuse their low level bees.

If you were taking xanax for 8 months than stopped I truely feel sorry for you lol. 8 months is just enough time to get a taste of why to never fuck with GABA receptors again.
It can take a year or 2 before you get the full brunt of wds but 8 months is more than enough time to catch a nasty ride.

And I too use to take lyrica for anxiety. I had tried benzos before and was rather surprised to see how much more effective lyrica was and how much less intense withdrawals were.
I've never withdrawn from heroin (and its prob the only drug in the world I've never done) but its half life is only 30mins, so the wds are fast and intense, but end quick in a matter of like 3 days.
Its the long acting opiates that are a nightmare to get off of, the ones that are actually currently prescribed to GET OFF heroin. Like methadone and suboxone. The half life of suboxone is 36 hours, methadone even longer, which results in acute wds for 2-3 weeks for some people.
The worst thing I ever withdrew from personally was poppy pods, it was the only time I slipped up because I hadn't realized at that point the wds were worse than heroin. And to add poppies are legally sold in most countries including the US. I'm not sure many people realize that opium can legally be ordered and delivered to your house. I got involved in all this stuff mainly cause of stage fright (I sometimes have to give speeches in auditoriums with 300+ people), and I went through a phase of trying different things to see what works best. But what actually wound up working best wasn't even a psychoactive drug, it was a plain beta blocker called inderal. And when I found inderal I decided it wasn't worth playing around with benzos/opiates anymore. Although I will still occassionally take lyrica to "function" and other stuff much less so on occassion.

I do agree however with just about everything you've said and especially the alcohol thing. You obviously know a good deal about this stuff.

And a quick comment on MDMA a lot of people think its safe drug but I've seen people come off of binges as short as 3 days and wind up in the psychward for suicide. It prob causes depression more severe than any drug I know. But the funny thing is when you use it just one time you can feel rather happy the following day. It only takes 3-4 more doses before you actually trip those receptors and have to deal with a proper seretonin crash. I've dealt with speed crashes (which are terrible) I've dealt with depression/wds from opiates, but I still hear the MDMA is in a league of its own depression wise. Sure it won't cause typical physical wds but I've seen people be off E for 8 years and still complain that they can never enjoy life like they use to. Opiates do this, and so do benzos, but with E for some reason it seems much more long term.

I've never met a single person who thought MDMA was safe in any way. It's a once a month thing at the very most, I've only tried it three times. I don't want to fuck with depleting my serotonin.

I also kind of assumed the whole "massaging a stranger" stereotype of ecstasy was just people blowing it out of proportion. I've never once felt that way. I can talk to people easier but other than that I just get an insane amount of energy, though I don't usually have an outlet for it so I just sit on the couch thinking about how many things I'd want to do if I wasn't sitting in such a comfortable couch. Playing guitar is a hell of a thing on E though.

you've obviously never had pure mdma. It makes you gay. IT really isn't that bad for you but most people have no way of getting pure mdma. I actually hate the shit. It makes you all sloppy and girlish. It is actually a rather safe drug if you get the real deal. Unfortunately anything pill form must be cut with something to make it "stick" so unless you get a gelcap, you aren't getting mdma.

It is a little psychotropic and as someone that has enough mental issues, I stay away from anything that has any sort of effect on my mind.

Don't get me wrong. When I raved, I did E not speed. But that was almost 11 years ago. I did it for maybe 2 years. That was the total of my leisurely pursuit of drugs.

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Thats just a myth.

I was clearly told having sex with men WHILE you're still on E does NOT count... cause its just the E making you gay and not yourself... right?

Maybe it did for you? I certainly never got that.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad you've obviously never had pure mdma. It makes you gay.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I"m sure djRann can elaborate on the insane hours Hollywood likes to abuse their low level bees.

I'm in Hollywood right now, and pretty cained. (not actually joking). So yes you are totally right.

There's far too much text in this thread for me to read in my state (it's fucking amazing I can type though) but all that business about pharms is so lame.

What is it with you Americans and your pharms? It seems like having a drink with you headmaster or something.

If you're going to do it at least take something you can't get from a guy who had to go to school to wear white lab coat. you should have to meet some guy with tatoos and no teeth, under a brigde in a bad part of town at least. Where's the romnace gone?

But I do agree about the champers. Nothing like a good bottle french fermented nectar. Good form chap.