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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix my 0.02 contribution

I saw that already and here's what I thought: What are us Corporate version (me, off a CD-R) users going to do if our version doesn't work due to this?

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Originally posted by cycloptor what about kalli...online gaming software, it hasent...

well, i dont think anybody has bothered to. and besides, they give away there keys now for free.

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Originally posted by ali92 I saw that already and here's what I thought: What are us Corporate version (me, off a CD-R) users going to do if our version doesn't work due to this?

well, then you'll be screwed. make sure to have a backup of all your files. but also, you don't have to upgrade the service pack... and as i think, you can still use xp

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Originally posted by discitelli ok you sound like your the closest thing TA has to Bill Gates, you said he could track us down to find out if we had a legit copy of xp, but does he really want to sue our arse!? i mean would it be worth it for Microsoft to do that and make its products REALLY uncrackable. cause when you think about it we're the reason for the monoplisation (is that even a word) of his company, because most people get Microsoft products for free or cheaply (YOU) and it is therefore the most dominate OS, everyone creates applications for them and don't bother with others like linux. So if he 'fixed the problem'of hacking and made it unhackable, meterforically speaking, than they'd lose big bucks... yeah i think im starting to answer my question now.

It is theoretically impossible to stop people cracking software. Just as someone releases better methods of encryption in software with harder ways of getting around it, people will spend time figuring it out until they can circumvent the protection. It's the same with games and it's the same with ALL software. It's a never ending cycle that plays over and over again.

As far as OS's go, i'll speak from my few years of experience in the industry and say that It's no secret Gates is pretty worried about Linux as it's getting easier to use and there's more industry support for it as well. The main reason i haven't dropped XP is quite simple.

I want to be able to

1. Play games like counter-strike, SOFII, etc in high res and with AA and anisatropic filtering on which requires a hefty GPU and memory bandwidth. I'm a hardcore gamer

2. Play, rip, record, produce & mix music.

3. Graphic Design and Editing

So here's the problem Linux and Mac can do two of the above but not all 3 so i continue to use XP which works perfectly well for me because i knew how to set it up and as my old boss says "you gotta know how to kick windows teeth in" to make it work right for you. You've got to know how to deploy it properly. You've got to know what services are running and what they do. (and not all of them are needed either. some are just unnecessary)

I liked Windows 2000 as it was less bloated then XP so i left it on my new system i built but i found something interesting. If you have a sub 1G cpu w/256mb ram then stick with Win2K. If you're above then go XP because XP will actually make better use of a high speed system. In other words Win2k is wasted on a fast machine while XP ramps in performance and runs faster then win2k even though it's bigger (and you'd assume slower)

Now onto Macs. In terms of hardware they're defineatly a speed grade behind Wintel and the reason why is because Apple doesn't have any real competition in it's own market and this The G4 powered Mac is still held down to a 133 sytem bus and PC133 SDRAM which is a joke. And they're still ironing out the bugs in OS X too. But for Graphic Design and perhaps some audio production they're a reasonable platform (and they're perfect for the person who "wants to check their mail and get on the internet" as they're pretty much idiot-proof lol). The main reason Apple never really got further then they have in the market is pretty simple. They waited too long to start bring out games on em.

Linux will never be a true contender until there's more unity among the developers and until they write a decent gaming API. That'll be the day i wipe MS for good and go get 5 takeaway pizzas and 3 large cokes, some cookies, mars bars, coffee, V drinks and some chuppa chups and go sit my ass down for two days and get Linux smacked down on my comp but till then it's not gonna happen

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Last edited by Tranzmit on Jul-31-2002 at 16:53

im back with my report!

so last night, some of the interns got to go to bill gates house (which i might add is fucking amazing, right on the water...), for this catered bbq type thing (with free gooooood wine mmmm).

so anyways, bill gates strolls outside while all of us were eating. i had already drank a fair amoutn of wine and decided id rush up before the interns mobbed him so i could ask him a question. so i ran up, shook his hand, and got to ask the first question

and JUST FOR YOU GUYS... i used the one question ill ever be able to ask bill gates in my lifetime, on piracy. his answer was a little different than i thought it would be, it was kind of ambiguous. my question was something like, what is microsofts view on piracy? he focused on other countries.. saying when countries become less poor (like taiwan, etc), piracy will happen less... and also talked about how its always important to keep the price of the software in mind, because people will go to piracy if the price is too high. i then said, well what about here in this country, in the everyday home? and his answer was again ambiguous.. he talked about how there will always be piracy, so they just need to work on a good product and try to keep mind of the price (like he said before).

and thats all he said. like i said, not really as specific as i would have liked he then went on to answer questions about his favorite beer, where he thought pcs were going in the future, what makes him happy, and he talked a lot about the new tablet pc.

then he gave a short speech to the whole crowd and more interns mobbed him after trying to ask questions. i, instead, drank more wine and stood on his mini beach to watch the sunset... knowing i could come home and say "yes folks, i got drunk at bill gates house". hehehe

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Originally posted by sothis im back with my report! so last night, some of the interns got to go to bill gates house (which i might add is fucking amazing, right on the water...), for this catered bbq type thing (with free gooooood wine mmmm).

Lucky girl!

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Originally posted by Tranzmit Linux will never be a true contender until there's more unity among the developers and until they write a decent gaming API. That'll be the day i wipe MS for good and go get 5 takeaway pizzas and 3 large cokes, some cookies, mars bars, coffee, V drinks and some chuppa chups and go sit my ass down for two days and get Linux smacked down on my comp but till then it's not gonna happen

Thanks Tranzmit, that was very in depth but i do have a question, why would you want to go to Linux if the they do have gaming, application support etc. when windows is just fine? i personally would stick with XP, its just has everything you need and much more but thats just personal taste. So why linux?

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Originally posted by sothis im back with my report! so last night, some of the interns got to go to bill gates house (which i might add is fucking amazing, right on the water...), for this catered bbq type thing (with free gooooood wine mmmm). so anyways, bill gates strolls outside while all of us were eating. i had already drank a fair amoutn of wine and decided id rush up before the interns mobbed him so i could ask him a question. so i ran up, shook his hand, and got to ask the first question and JUST FOR YOU GUYS... i used the one question ill ever be able to ask bill gates in my lifetime, on piracy. his answer was a little different than i thought it would be, it was kind of ambiguous. my question was something like, what is microsofts view on piracy? he focused on other countries.. saying when countries become less poor (like taiwan, etc), piracy will happen less... and also talked about how its always important to keep the price of the software in mind, because people will go to piracy if the price is too high. i then said, well what about here in this country, in the everyday home? and his answer was again ambiguous.. he talked about how there will always be piracy, so they just need to work on a good product and try to keep mind of the price (like he said before). and thats all he said. like i said, not really as specific as i would have liked he then went on to answer questions about his favorite beer, where he thought pcs were going in the future, what makes him happy, and he talked a lot about the new tablet pc. then he gave a short speech to the whole crowd and more interns mobbed him after trying to ask questions. i, instead, drank more wine and stood on his mini beach to watch the sunset... knowing i could come home and say "yes folks, i got drunk at bill gates house". hehehe

Your lying aren't you, i mean come on... you didn't really get to chat with Papa BG did you?!

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Originally posted by discitelli Your lying aren't you, i mean come on... you didn't really get to chat with Papa BG did you?!

LMAO!!

As for your earlier questions on linux, well thats why i AM staying with windows, because i can do everything i wnat to do on it. But Linux is VERY stable, it's faster and it's much slimmer then Windows which just whacks all this stuff on you don't really need. Go have a look at your Windows XP System folder ("windows" by default) and you'll see around a gig of space being used. It's bloody huge.

Plus i don't like the fact that since most users are like me and want to do a bit of everything on their pc. They have no choice but to MS and it's getting to the point where MS has so much power in the industry i'm really scared at what it could decide to do. Their next initiative is called .NET and it means you'll be renting your software, and some Office apps online. You won't even own your copy of windows it belongs to microsoft, you're just renting it.

It scares me! A big monopoly is getting bigger

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Originally posted by Tranzmit LMAO!! As for your earlier questions on linux, well thats why i AM staying with windows, because i can do everything i wnat to do on it. But Linux is VERY stable, it's faster and it's much slimmer then Windows which just whacks all this stuff on you don't really need. Go have a look at your Windows XP System folder ("windows" by default) and you'll see around a gig of space being used. It's bloody huge. Plus i don't like the fact that since most users are like me and want to do a bit of everything on their pc. They have no choice but to MS and it's getting to the point where MS has so much power in the industry i'm really scared at what it could decide to do. Their next initiative is called .NET and it means you'll be renting your software, and some Office apps online. You won't even own your copy of windows it belongs to microsoft, you're just renting it. It scares me! A big monopoly is getting bigger

I never thought that THAT'S what ".NET" is! How can MS implement such a scheme? If people will have to rent Windows, etc., no one will use it and just stick with XP or whatever they have now. So, MS software's going to be like Cable TV, where you rent the converter but use it. THAT'S where Linux clones of everything comes in! There will be a bigger demand for Linux ports of everything that's on Windows.

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Your lying aren't you, i mean come on... you didn't really get to chat with Papa BG did you?!

heh i was talking to my irc friends about this last night and none of them believed me either so i took this picture, maybe itll help my credibility

http://www.acm.wwu.edu/~sothis/microsoft.jpg

thats my blue badge (meaning im an intern or full time)

we got searched pretty heavily before getting let in for cameras, etc... or i would have taken a picture to prove it

but yes, i did talk to him. and shook his hand. his favorite beer is "anything light", what makes him happy is his family/etc but also getting up every day and being able to talk to interesting people. he thinks tablet pcs are going to do well and prolly a breakthrough for computing wont happen for another decade. heh i cant remember what other questions people asked.

as far as .net, its a giant web service.. i dont know if any of you have dealt with them yet... but yea, its kind of like renting i guess. for example, you use a microsoft word that you can then use on any other computer... and lets say you want a specialized dictionary in it which has medical terms because you are a doctor... well, that can come from somewhere else on the web, someone else sharing it as a web service, and then you can use it in your microsoft word, even tho it might not be associated with microsoft.

i dont know, i think its a neat idea. i think the point was that you arent confined to your one computer... that if you go to a friends house, you can still use everything. we still have to see if it catches on and all, but its not just a microsoft thing. sun and other companies are working with web services at all.

so if you dont like the idea of "Renting", dont just blame it on microsoft, blame it on basically everyone for going in the direction of web services.