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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
I understand your point but this is not 'the' basis for my thesis its some supportive research I have said several times it is just for me to say 10 people said compression and 15 said the four to the floor pattern etc etc.

This question didn't have to be that detailed the following so here are what I have found now vote for x,y,.z a,b,c one will be of course.

All I am hoping for is answers like subtles one.


Then there's really no academic use to this, what-so-ever.

I could come up with three things fundamental to trance production like:

1) Hypnotic Groove consisting of a standard, automated rhythm section, progressed at 4,8,16,32, or 64 bar intervals, through the duration of the song

2) 75% + Analogue Synth Arrangement with a prominent bass-line

3) Builds and releases tension

(Even though I disagree with your survey taking, feel free to use these.)

But throwing in some random technique like hard knee compression only feeds a growing orgy of syllogism. None of the answers you're going to get are likely to dove-tail into any other answer and, what's worse, is that you're getting answers based, not on fundamental technique, but subjective and personalized beliefs and aims.

Take Subtle's Answers

Melody
Arrangement
Production

-or-

EQ
Compression
Delay

The first three relate to almost any music recording and the last three have to do with techniques which can relate to almost any music recording. Not to disparage Subtle, in any way, but they are generic, nebulous answers which ultimately define most modern music production processes, techniques, and strategies.

I'm a little bemused by you're venting to the answers you've obtained from such a vague question. To my mind, they were something you should have expected, given the loosely defined criteria, and therefor should have made a correction for, before you asked the question.


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Beatflux
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Be more specific.


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EddieZilker
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Be more specific.


Beginning at 6334 KhZ draw a filter envelope with a sinusoidal factor of 0.034656 to occur every 461.538 milliseconds until 69.0769 seconds has elapsed and apply this to a band-width filter not exceedin....













Hey! Wait a minute.


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quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
Beginning at 6334 KhZ draw a filter envelope with a sinusoidal factor of 0.034656 to occur every 461.538 milliseconds until 69.0769 seconds has elapsed and apply this to a band-width filter not exceedin....


Be less specific.


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EddieZilker
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Be less specific.



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I'm going to need a particular profile for each partial.


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Sonic_c
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Then there's really no academic use to this, what-so-ever.



So there is no value in me asking the most popular trance music production forum online what their top 3 tools or techniques are when making trance? even though I am writing my dissertation on 3 tools or techniques used in the production of trance.

If a majority of people said EQ that doesn't mean I say ok the EQ dial is most important to trance dissertation done! it just gives me the starting point to then go away and find out how EQ is used generally in trance and if that differs from other genres. If it does then I can design listening experiments for example a loop with and without that EQ practice and research the answers people give to that, analyse waveforms and look at how the brain perceives them etc.

Edit: I didnt mean to vent just thought it was at least clear I wanted answers like compression technique and not weed?


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EddieZilker
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quote:
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So there is no value in me asking the most popular trance music production forum online what their top 3 tools or techniques are when making trance? even though I am writing my dissertation on 3 tools or techniques used in the production of trance.

If a majority of people said EQ that doesn't mean I say ok the EQ dial is most important to trance dissertation done! it just gives me the starting point to then go away and find out how EQ is used generally in trance and if that differs from other genres. If it does then I can design listening experiments for example a loop with and without that EQ practice and research the answers people give to that, analyse waveforms and look at how the brain perceives them etc.


I'll submit that you're liable to come out with a random start point, hyper-focusing on that which is otherwise insignificant. You could write down twenty things you thought were germane to writing trance on note cards, tack the note cards on a cork board, and then throw darts at your father's secretary and conduct your research from which note-card, when pronounced, sounds closest to her terrified vocal utterances and come up with a better starting point.

"YAHCH MOOG! AUYEEE!!"

Well, there you have it. Start with a Moog.


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Looney4Clooney
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focus on something more specific. Like lets say saw wave synth sounds. You can talk about what it is and the partials it has , talk about the super-saw in trance and reference actual music, you can discuss jungle and the reese phenomenon again with music. YOu can talk about its use in house via filtered stabs and talk about how the voicing and use is different. You can talk about unison , you can talk about how these sounds are now being used in rap.

there is a tight paper right there long enough and not too open ended. Lots to pick and chose from but not so open that you will have to talk about everything. You have science , music theory, history all wrapped up in one nice topic.


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Sonic_c
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Just a little offshoot... Anyone know where I can get a reference of someone authoritative saying the supersaw is a cliche of trance music?

Its a very minor point in the paper just need a reference. Thanks folks


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