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Originally posted by Raphie I really don't get it why all the VST boys still have the urge to start topics to justify that their emuations sound as good.

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Originally posted by evo8 Analog v Digital thread no. 123456

That is not what this topic is about. At all. I own and use both analog and digital stuff myself.

This is about the seeming need for people who make or use VSTs or other digital synths to justify their choice in terms of them "sounding analog" or whatever. Rather than letting the sound stand on its own merits. And also about the tendency of some who use analog stuff to be purist or elitist about their methods.

I meant it as a discussion about user attitudes, not another stupid "analog versus digital, which is better, derp?!"

we're on the same page here, it is about SW guys for some reason wanting to have their cake and eat it. SW is fine, just don't try to sell it as HW ITB..... and stop all the analoque modelled marketing crap...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That is not what this topic is about. At all. I own and use both analog and digital stuff myself. This is about the seeming need for people who make or use VSTs or other digital synths to justify their choice in terms of them "sounding analog" or whatever. Rather than letting the sound stand on its own merits. And also about the tendency of some who use analog stuff to be purist or elitist about their methods. I meant it as a discussion about user attitudes, not another stupid "analog versus digital, which is better, derp?!"

It will stop if and when the so-called "analog sound" stops being considered a desirable feature. Things like "analog" and "warm" have become buzzwords, and people will rape buzzwords for everything they've got for as long as they possibly can.

In other words... it's not going away. That's really all it comes down to.

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Originally posted by david.michael In other words... it's not going away. That's really all it comes down to.

Well, it only took 5 pages, but I think we finally have the answer.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Well, it only took 5 pages, but I think we finally have the answer.

This is why you guys keep me around. I like to shed my own inspiring light on the subject. I'm like a tub of information, bubbling over like a jacuzzi.

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Originally posted by david.michael This is why you guys keep me around. I like to shed my own inspiring light on the subject. I'm like a tub of information, bubbling over like a jacuzzi.

A jacuzzi in a TRICKED OUT DANCE MUSIC STUDIO, with "I love Existo22" written on the wall. Word.

Great, now why'd you have to go and bring that whole thing up?!

He didn't bring it up. I brought it up. So get it right tho.

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Originally posted by tehlord Good luck with those monitors you bought /runs

true, it is the weakest part in my chain next to my ears, eventhough the most expensive, coincidence? ithink not so.... analog blows! id like to have those FIREWIRE directly into my brain instead. imagine the latency.

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Originally posted by Fledz Next on the agenda: PC vs Mac no. 132435663900020022374288982

+1

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Originally posted by meriter Your primary focus should be making good music. That's all. No one gives a shit how you do it. And the people that do are fags.

Has anyone considered that maybe everyone is obsessed with analogue because it's the benchmark? Analogue is how a basic subtractive synth should sound, with no aliasing, no digital artifacts etc. Digital attempts to emulate analogue, which lacks aliasing or any of those other features. That's why everyone's obsessed, not because analogue automatically sounds great, but just because its the standard to which digital is compared.

If you have an mp3, you judge it based on whether it reproduces the original sound well, an analogue sound. If you have a digital synth then similarly, you judge it against how well it reproduces the smoothness and warmth of an analogue machine. To me its just the obvious way to make judgements about the quality of a synth. Of course, it gets a bit amusing when noobs who have never heard an analogue synth start making claims like "ZOMG, NexUS SOunDS So ANALOgueS DuDE!!!?!?!!111??". Basically, it just seems to me like it makes sense for an emulation to be judged against the original. And to me, most digital subtractive synths are emulations.

In my opinion, digital already succeeds a lot of the time, which is why the whole "sounds analogue" thing is now a bit passe. Most people don't even take a product seriously if it says it "sounds analogue" because its just assumed that modern plugins should lack aliasing etc. so it goes without saying hopefully.

Modern VAs are at least 85% of the way there in most cases, you might prefer the analogue workflow, but the sound is almost the same these days, and everyone knows it. But analogue will always be mentioned just because its the benchmark to which digital synths will have to look up to.

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Yeah, this analog vs digital debate is an archaic one. It's been proven that you can make music with either one. Digital seems more efficient in someone's work flow though, but classic hardware is classic for a reason (unless they made a vst for it--all my opinion though!). Digital used to be the uncool dweeb, now it's cool as ever. Same thing with fruity loops. no one bashes it anymore.