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A.B
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Not only have you copy-pasted that entire post from another thread, it's completely irrelevant. When you make decisions based on financial gain, it is no longer all about the music. By default. As I said, I can sympathise with people who're doing this job full time, but the fact remains. Artistic integrity is about making decisions solely for the benefit of your art. That's why the underground is so romanticised, because an underground scene is one purely about love of the music, not about turning a profit. It's in those conditions that music best prospers.

You may have this ludicrous, nostalgic view of the 90s dance scene as the best period ever, but the whole thing collapsed because DJs were out to make too much money, asking for bigger and bigger fees and constructing cults of personality around their image, not their music. You idolise the likes of Oakenfold, but it's exactly his business-oriented approach to squeezing the market dry that killed off all that progressive and trance you can't shut up about.


I agree with everything you say up until the last sentence.

It's the impressionable, soulless, sheep of modern day society that bought into the hype that killed it as far as I'm concerned.

Same applies to 99.9% of every commerical / capitalist venture out there. People will believe whatever they are told.....not what they know.


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SYSTEM-J
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Now more than ever you don't need money to promote your art, or to make music. Anyone can make a track, anyone can put a track out for everyone else to hear. Any musician quitting because they aren't earning enough was never "all about the music" in the first place.


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Yeah this place once had a lot of producers post here around 2000-2003 time. And a bunch of the big names would come here and never post here out of fear and rejection and what was being trash talked about them. Very cool indeed...plus it takes guts to speak up or admit contradictions.

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Originally posted by West27thPrgrsv
Kinda like this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi2udfD-G-w

^ He's all about the money too.



This is really funny btw



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West27thPrgrsv
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Now more than ever you don't need money to promote your art, or to make music. Anyone can make a track, anyone can put a track out for everyone else to hear. Any musician quitting because they aren't earning enough was never "all about the music" in the first place.


You still haven't answered the million dollar question for us. How can a new artist build capital to promote himself and his music without a viable economic model that can at least earn him some money to make a living on so he can evolve from being a bedroom warrior to an artist with bookings, licensing and sales so that there is some good music actually heard out there straight from the independent scene next the to crap from the majors from people who can toss 50 stacks into buying back their own records?

Answer the question or shut the fuck up already

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Light The Fuse
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i do love what j00f says and he is the best figurehead real trance can have!
just one question though:

is the 'scene' really that bad anymore ?

granted the commercial megaclubthingo scene is quite poor at the moment - but thats only one aspect (that argueably has always been like that anyway)

i live in one of these far flung countries - and any friday or szturday night i can find a solid, fun clubnight (and occassioanl large festival thats just outta town) that will provide me with awesome tunes from prog/tech/psy/good trance and awesome open minded friendly people who are about the 'scene' and not about being 'seen'

surely if we have this choice in melbourne its not that bad anymore in a lot of places around the world?


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A.B
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Originally posted by West27thPrgrsv
You still haven't answered the million dollar question for us. How can a new artist build capital to promote himself and his music without a viable economic model that can at least earn him some money to make a living on so he can evolve from being a bedroom warrior to an artist with bookings, licensing and sales so that there is some good music actually heard out there straight from the independent scene next the to crap from the majors from people who can toss 50 stacks into buying back their own records?

Answer the question or shut the fuck up already


Luck.


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srussell0018
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This thread is stupid. Nobody should care what J00F has to say about "the scene." Have your own opinion and stop being spoon-fed by your idols.


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West27thPrgrsv
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quote:
Originally posted by A.B
Luck.


Yeah walk into a bank try to get a business loan and tell them your business plan.
Don't give it too much thought just tell them you plan to be lucky and everything will turn your way.

It is like where do these people keep coming from

Heres another one:

quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
This thread is stupid. Nobody should care what J00F has to say about "the scene." Have your own opinion and stop being spoon-fed by your idols.

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quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
This thread is stupid. Nobody should care what J00F has to say about "the scene." Have your own opinion and stop being spoon-fed by your idols.


Why did you bother posting if this is a "stupid thread"?


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Thank god we have Existo back to set us all straight.

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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by West27thPrgrsv
You still haven't answered the million dollar question for us. How can a new artist build capital to promote himself and his music without a viable economic model that can at least earn him some money to make a living on so he can evolve from being a bedroom warrior to an artist with bookings, licensing and sales so that there is some good music actually heard out there straight from the independent scene next the to crap from the majors from people who can toss 50 stacks into buying back their own records?


As I've already said this is irrelevant, not least because J00F is not a new artist. Also, "build capital", "economic model", "make a living", "licensing and sales"... this is not "All about the music". If you just want to get your music out there and have people hear it, you can do that on a total shoestring budget. I know artists without even a website or a label who have thousands of listeners. Look at a label like Ektoplazm, giving out obscure/niche music for free and so far having over three million downloads in three years.

I sympathise with people like J00F who are used to making a decent living from music and want to keep that up. But the things he's complaining about, such as producers turning to DJing and playing pre-planned sets, are also down to people doing shitty things to make a living. You can't have your cake and eat it.


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