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Originally posted by skyhunter Exactly! People press their personal opinions as if they are true! Well that's just IMO.

Like that one. :P

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Like that one. :P

xD

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Originally posted by -FSP- I like a lot of what might be labeled as darker or underground dance music. That's what the vast majority of my music library consists of. The thing is, dance music is dance music and in the end the DJ wants to please everyone and keep everyone dancing. The mainstream dance music is focused on making 'DJ music', and not 'chin stroking, trainspotter, serious guy' music. Since it's DJ music, that's why it's meant for the lowest common denominator. Don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, I LOVE korean girl band music. That whole scene is manufactured and kind of campy and kitschy which is why I like it. I am also the douche bag in the club who is a 'chin stroking, trainspotting, serious guy' and when I listen to Korean girl bands, I laugh at my self for enjoying such cheese. Sometimes I find the so-called 'underground' part of dance music too serious, because you have to admit that a lot of it just chin stroke music (which doesn't make it bad), not dance music. And I also think it's messed up that there are underground releases that are vinyl only. Look at this review from resident advisor for skrillex's EP : http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=8266 1 and a half stars? Come on now. Quit being so damn pretentious!

But it doesn't have to only be either chin stroking underground EDM or "I want to fuck this club in the pussy" cheese - tehre is this thing called a middle ground.

I hate jesus posing twat DJ's nearly much as I hate lifeless bearded spectacle wearing DJ who do their very best to show no emotion at all. Again, I can't understand why it has to be one or the other; there is such a thing as moderation.

The DJ's that are shit and have no longevity are the ones that just want to crowd please. Those who care about content and are trying to do something creative psuh the envelope forward and actually contribute to something other than their bank balance.

Don't get wrong, I know SHM and Guetta have their place, as they, for a short period will attract a certain group which will make some promoters/managers/agents a lot of money. I don't even blame SHM, as I think they know that they sell their brand of cheese to douchebags, and they're making money which is their intent.

Personally, I usually find the undergound people with beards who just stand around talking in clubs to be the LEAST pretentious. They're the ones who have normal jobs during the week and just go to clubs to chat to friends and unwind, they also usually go out a hell of a lot more, and when they hear something good they dance like maniacs - they just have high standards, so it doesn't happen EVERY time.

In contrast, the people who like SHM/Guetta are usually like "Oh yeah, maybe you've heard of me, I'm a promoter at "xyz" nighclub and know Jimi hendrix and Jeff Mills", even though they don't know shit about anything. They think they're superior because their girlfriend has fake tits from thailand and looks like a ladyboy, and they go to the gym every day and take loads of steroids. They only go out once a week because the alcohol has "so many calories" and they need to watch their adonis like physique.

Sure, these might be caricatures and there are dickheads in both scenes, but thats the split that I see. The underground crowd are generally a lot more humble and (if you're there for the music and share their passion) will generally be more inclusive. Of course, if your just there to pick up and get drunk, you'll be laughed out of the building, but thats the way I like it. In contrast, the commercial crowd will only look at your shoes, your girlfriends tits, and who you know. Frankly, I can't stand that shit.

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Originally posted by -FSP- Sometimes I find the so-called 'underground' part of dance music too serious, because you have to admit that a lot of it just chin stroke music (which doesn't make it bad), not dance music. And I also think it's messed up that there are underground releases that are vinyl only.

I think its a way of bringing down piracy and maintaining exclusivity. Makes sense to me? If only really good commited DJs (who have TTs and the skills to mix vinyl into their sets) are playing your stuff, surely that makes your label look better as a brand?

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The structure of underground electronic music is completely different from mainstream pop. An 8 minute track relying on looping grooves, subtle builds and drops with no vocals is so far away from the 3-4 minute songs people hear on the radio that it's too big a change for a lot of people to get into - and they're not interested in really giving it a chance. People don't like change, or at least not too big a change. So it takes a certain personality to see the beauty in it.

And it's that same personality which makes some electronic music lovers detest the mainstream (plus a little bit of snobbery)

In fact the only genres with similar structures are prog rock and some of the more experimental parts of classical music, neither of which are particularly popular either.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox The structure of underground electronic music is completely different from mainstream pop. An 8 minute track relying on looping grooves, subtle builds and drops with no vocals is so far away from the 3-4 minute songs people hear on the radio that it's too big a change for a lot of people to get into - and they're not interested in really giving it a chance. People don't like change, or at least not too big a change. So it takes a certain personality to see the beauty in it. And it's that same personality which makes some electronic music lovers detest the mainstream (plus a little bit of snobbery) In fact the only genres with similar structures are prog rock and some of the more experimental parts of classical music, neither of which are particularly popular either.

Took me a while before I could listen to straight techno.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

took me a while before i could listen to straight pop (is there such a thing as straight pop?)

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Originally posted by Beatflux Took me a while before I could listen to straight techno.

Yup, I've always thought of techno as the 'aquired taste' of dance music... I don't know of anyone who went straight from not liking any other dance music, straight to liking techno.

That doesn't mean people need to like house etc first - I know people whose tastes have gone hip hop -> drum n bass -> techno, while still hating any kind of house or trance.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Took me a while before I could listen to straight techno.

Then you were listening to the wrong stuff IMO... Most techno is just boring because its not diverse enough. I can't listen to 2 hours of stuff that has the same swing and rhythm, you need breaks and different styles.

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i had no problems listening through the whole 9 hours of speedy j´s set eventhough it was 4 on the floor 909 action 128bpm from start to end with no melody, no breaks, nothing what so ever. what works for some might no work for others.

Yeah but there are a lot of different textures in those sets... Theres a lot of diversity in there and probably some breaks and different rhythms too, even if they're not in the kickdrum. <3 old speedy J shit...

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