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Originally posted by derail It probably helps to have one person focused on the production, the other focused on the promotion.

Well if their paying for the production, chances are "the other" is also paying someone to do the promotion and anything else that needs doing.

I am quite happy to ghost produce, fist of all i don't need to be in the spotlight, i don't have the time or energy to viral market my brand and be hot like hawtin on gigs. I just like to produce, be in my studio and deliver. If there is a frontman or woman, leveraging that and getting my product out there with his or her brand, Good for me. For me it's far more about the right consumer experience/picture than props where due.

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Originally posted by derail And yes, for the ghost producer it's a decent guaranteed sum of money.

Actually that's a pretty good point - most ghost producers probably make MORE out of making a track for someone else and letting them take all of the royalties than they would if they just made and released the track themselves.

I know some fairly small-time producers who can charge £200+ to produce a track for someone else, but would never make anything like that in royalties if they released the track themselves.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Actually that's a pretty good point - most ghost producers probably make MORE out of making a track for someone else and letting them take all of the royalties than they would if they just made and released the track themselves. I know some fairly small-time producers who can charge £200+ to produce a track for someone else, but would never make anything like that in royalties if they released the track themselves.

Very important point by you and derail here.......

The engineers my friends use charge in the region of £250 and upwards for sessions to make tracks. The main one they use produce's music for bigger dj's, so he is in demand and I would imagine is busy most weeks which is a tidy amount of guaranteed cash weekly to live very comfortably. That said nowadays everyone knows just releasing music isnt going to get you enough of an income in reality to live comfortably, hence why you have to gig, promote a night etc so I dont think you can compare just ghost writing and releasing music as a comparision when compared to the days of vinyls sales, I believe releasing music now is more so kind of a package deal with doing live shows/gigs more so nowadays.

I guess for guys like Raphie who like to solely produce and dont want the limelight then Ghost producing is good, and has its benefits

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Originally posted by alanzo It's like sifting through cat shit to find a penny. In the end, it wasn't worth the effort.

I don't know, I don't listen to Armin van Buuren. The guy has been using ghost producers for years. At the very least emulating the very people who showed him what a sequencer was to begin with.

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Originally posted by music2dance2 Very important point by you and derail here.......

I now know how they feel.. Where's my credit I said it first

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Originally posted by Andy28 I now know how they feel.. Where's my credit I said it first

Lol did u. Soz man

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Originally posted by alanzo It's like sifting through cat shit to find a penny. In the end, it wasn't worth the effort.

interesting topic. I actually had so many moments when I felt like: damn, there's an idea in my mind but I have no way of extracting it because I just don't have the know-how or skill how to do that. In those scenarios, I wish I had a (ghost) producer - just anyone who would be able to understand my idea, make it a reality and show me how it's done in the process. You can't teach the art but you can influence the artist.

All is fair in "work for hire" - you accept the contract, paycheck, you accept the terms too. No? Don't do it then.

I frequently write technical documentation as part of my job. Many times, my name is not on the documentation or it's just a name of the company - but I've put a lot of work into it. Sometimes, hundreds of hours! No recognition.. No name.

The only name I care to see in writing? The one signed on the check.



Lastly, all those fancy FX units, Arpegio software, sample libraries - isn't that also ghost writing? You wanna have artistic integrity? Do everything yourself, patches, drums, recorded in ambient space, using natural reverberation of the hallways. Compression? Ride those faders boy, ride em!!!! Layering? Forget Ableton. Get tape, scissors, start splicing!

Yeah, some dilemmas there...

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Originally posted by aNYthing Lastly, all those fancy FX units, Arpegio software, sample libraries - isn't that also ghost writing? You wanna have artistic integrity? Do everything yourself, patches, drums, recorded in ambient space, using natural reverberation of the hallways. Compression? Ride those faders boy, ride em!!!! Layering? Forget Ableton. Get tape, scissors, start splicing! Yeah, some dilemmas there...

You can´t really compare using presets to buying whole songs. I mean its a little bit different to use a number of presets which you then put together and moderate to get a whole song then just.....buy a whole song and take credit for the work.

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Originally posted by fuxzz You can´t really compare using presets to buying whole songs. I mean its a little bit different to use a number of presets which you then put together and moderate to get a whole song then just.....buy a whole song and take credit for the work.

some presets can be used as is, just hold one note down, hit some sampled drums, sampled 303, add sidechained "KSSSSSHHHHHHHHH" "SH" "SH" "SH" "SH" and you got yourself a Dubfire track...

all a matter of perspective. u wanna be purist? be purist then, be a musical equivalent of "vegan"....

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Originally posted by fuxzz just.....buy a whole song and take credit for the work.

pop music is ALL ABOUT THAT. You don't really think that Lady Gaga actually writes/produces her own material?

What about that boywhore wonder Justin Beaver?

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