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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Seriously, please, just smash your computer right now. It will do everyone good.

You think that by printing endless amounts of money by borrowing from other countries or firing up the printing press is or has saved the country from further economic depression? That by saving failed companies, the economy will recover? By socializing costs for goods and services that markets provide will make things cheaper and more efficient?

If you believe that the above actually saved the economy from even greater damage, you have a lot of explaining to do. So go on, do tell.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Honestly it would be better in the long run to totally destroy the republican party, which is what a default would have done. I'd wager 10 years of hard economic times, even 20, would in the long run be better than letting this country continue on with Republicans as any sort of serious contender for political power.

Yeah, but then you'd fuck an entire generation (ours) that didn't spend this money.

And you will never remove the Republicans from power. God/Protestantism plays too big a role in that party, and when you have pastors that can get whatever tax-excluded money that they want, we're fucked. "God works in mysterious ways" has a great way of drawing believers in.

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Why are you guys taking sides?

They're both responsible.

I miss the 60's. People opposed, instead of chose.

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Originally posted by OrangestO Why are you guys taking sides? They're both responsible. I miss the 60's. People opposed, instead of chose.

hey! that rhymes!
very nice

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Originally posted by OrangestO Why are you guys taking sides? They're both responsible. I miss the 60's. People opposed, instead of chose.

I think they're both responsible, but if I have to choose the most "wrong," it's the Tea Party that's constrained the Republican Party. Compromise is essential to governing, and these people think that's a curse word.

There needs to be movement on both sides, but what can happen when one side refuses to budge. This deficit deal should have been $4+ trillion over 10 years. Very little should have come now. The Bush tax cuts should have been put on the block for EVERYONE following the expiration of the extension.

[EDIT] Bush tax cuts should BE extended...when the economy recovers.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I think they're both responsible, but if I have to choose the most "wrong," it's the Tea Party that's constrained the Republican Party. Compromise is essential to governing, and these people think that's a curse word. There needs to be movement on both sides, but what can happen when one side refuses to budge. This deficit deal should have been $4+ trillion over 10 years. Very little should have come now. The Bush tax cuts should have been put on the block for EVERYONE following the expiration of the extension.

The Tea Party is nothing but a bunch of loud mouth bitches at a bar trying to stir some shit up into a fight, which obviously they have and will continue to do.

Both sides are wrong, simple.

Both sides have been wrong about numerous issues concerning this country, yet fail to come to some kind of mutual agreement as to how to fix ONE of them. Plain and simple, the suits are too stubborn and too wealthy to give shit about John and Jane Doe to change their perspective and try to work toward a common solution. The power and greed within our boundaries has stepped over to lines of self-interest and self-preservation so much that the common American has been left behind to wonder about a stable future that might no longer exist.

LIke I said, it's up to the people now. We did it in the 60's, why the fuck aren't we doing it now? Iraq took thousands, and we sat and never gave a fuck about it. Afghanistan took thousand, and we still sat and don't give a fuck about it. The people of this country have become complacent upon other's actions, yet have failed to take action themselves securing their own fight, freedom and fortune in this country. Without our voice, and our strength behind it, no one will listen.

You think these puppets will? Fuck no.

Ask them if they would wage any of their sons or daughters in the war we're in. Ask them if they would take a decrease in pay in order to help a fellow American survive. Behind closed doors, under the silk ties, pressed suits and shined shoes they're all nothing but a bunch of crooks behind a desk, phone and pen ready to sign our lives away.

They will never represent us, and that's why we shouldn't argue or debate trying to justify otherwise.

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Originally posted by The17sss

you fucking deadshit.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy And you will never remove the Republicans from power. God/Protestantism plays too big a role in that party, and when you have pastors that can get whatever tax-excluded money that they want, we're fucked. "God works in mysterious ways" has a great way of drawing believers in.

I don't see why social conservatism and fiscal conservatism have to be tied so tightly together. A lot of the fiscal conservatism goes against the basic ideals of a number of religious principals, mainly not being greedy and helping your fellow man.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I don't see why social conservatism and fiscal conservatism have to be tied so tightly together. A lot of the fiscal conservatism goes against the basic ideals of a number of religious principals, mainly not being greedy and helping your fellow man.

Gaining power and making a deal with the devil, what's so hard to understand?

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by The17sss the only graph you need to look at:

Holy fuck Kevin, people like you are what has caused and will perpetuate the problem. Every day looking for someone to blame. Its a systemic problem, the US has been going down hill for what 30 years, but yeah blame it on the straw that broke the camel's back, shoot the messenger. If Americans like you don't grow some balls and take some responsibility you'll never come out of this. Fuck, even if you do its unlikely you'll come out, but its always easier pointing the blame than climbing over it, so just sit back and watch your country crumble.

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