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Originally posted by Vector A Melodies fall under copyright, if I remember correctly. So it wouldn't matter if you made the actual sounds yourself.

you'd still need to clear it with the publisher

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul In the end, he was bored with the scene and quit, c'mon guys, what is the problem with this? Just respect him...

The problem with it is exactly what I stated and quoted in my earlier post. He called out the entire industry for not living up to his expectations. Not only is it a totally self-centered and dick-ish thing for someone in his position to say, it is also very juvenile and, as mentioned, hypocritical considering that he himself is as guilty as anybody for the lack of originality in EDM. Yes, I only posted one (terrible) track, but I listened to several other more current tracks and they weren't anything special either. So, to get up on a pedestal and tell the world that he is going to take his ball and go home because the industry isn't doing what he himself can't do (i.e., make dance music that is unique and special) is not something that is worthy of respect. Beyond that, I don't know a thing about him and wish him no ill will, but he clearly needs a lesson in humility.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 you'd still need to clear it with the publisher

tchaikovsky, Bach and that russian folklore tune , all public domain.

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul *** And Laurent... I accompany your work, blog/trance.nu/tranceaddict posts since 2002 when I knew trance music, obviously you are one of my classic producers that I admire. But like you said, you (and Yves Deruyter) used to do like Fabio Stein, the difference is: he complained once and quit, he is moving on. You complained million of times and you didnt quit, YET. I'm your fan too but when you quit for some reason, maybe you will understand Fabio Stein and others that leave the scene. I wish you last longer before this... And dont understand me wrong, please... But quoting "Fabio who?" because you have literally hundreds and hundreds of releases was not cool, imo... You used to be very humble and helpful. Good luck and peace, Anthony.

Laurent who? does it sound right to you?

Because that's how terribly humble I feel. I feel I am a complete nobody, just like Fabio is. You probably misinterpreted my intentions here. Hey man, wake up a little, you think I'd come here if I wasn't that humble? I feel part of this community just like you and like many others.

I quoted "Fabio who" in comparison to the big superstars such as U2, Lady Gaga, Madonna, etc..., not even ferry corsten, not even anyone else on that scale because they're also unsignificant. We all are unsignificant.

To answer concretely, I think you got confused, I announced that "I wanted" to retire from the music industry in 2003 after some bad events and a dj friend convinced me not to do that. and then I announced that I'd retire from dj'ing in 2008 as I left my dj agency from back then and didn't want to play for big money anymore, which effectively happened, as the only gigs I played are minor ones, most of them not even being paid! My main focus is now live performances but the problem is budget to plan a 100+ musicians show. I play only when I have to (eg, when I get fired from my dayjob like in last june and I need to pay health care for my ill daughter?), and most of the time, believe me when I say it's not for a big fee. Besides that, like everyone else, I have dayjobs, things on the side that keep me alive. Fortunately.

Man, don't think I wanted to insult Fabio here. I know it hurts when you get such reality check. But that's the state of the industry today, and it makes it hard for EVERYONE. Including for one with a gazillion releases like me.

Back to Fabio now, I'd have been happy to help him out if he asked questions re: label, distribution and right moves on a smaller scale as this is exactly what we've been doing for the last 3 years. But I can't help someone who retires unfortunately.

Like I said, I did that mistake, and will never do it again and announce I retire because that's a LIE to myself and to the 7200 fans on my page. Music is first art, not a business. Quitting music is a complete nonsense, as if you were rejecting half of your life. Only a few of us can claim being able to live off music entirely. If someone announces publicly that he resigns when hitting bottom, that is for me a huge communication fault. That could happen in 2003, but today with how important communication is, every single step in that direction kills you.

An agent would kill me for posting here, but I don't care guys, I feel part of this social community that is music. I do not care about ranking, votes, top, fame, whatever. You understand matey?

And believe me now when I say that if I ever have to quit entirely, that's either at the top or even in complete silence.

L.

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I remember when The main guy from Schokk and flutlich just stopped making dance. Now that was a a real loss. Every release was on the top of the charts then nothing. Don't even think drugs had anything to do with it. Some people just get bored and EDM is a rather boring genre if that is all you ever do.

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul Well... I'm brazilian, I know Fabio Stein personally, I did visit his studio in São Paulo. He is a very humble guy, he used to share his production techniques and skills with patience and attention. He gave feedback for lots of producers here in Brazil (Danilo Ercole for example, yet they have different production styles). Fabio is a rare person in this $cene. In my opinion, judge his technical skills by one track only (Techtris, one of his first ones when he used to produce with Buzz tracker yet) is totally unfair, because I dont think you would do the same with artists you like. He is very talented, versatile, and creative, but ok, its matter of opinion. http://www.discogs.com/artist/Fabio+Stein He is not a wannabe or newbie in the scene... He could produce an Arty/Cosmic Gate/Dinka/Mark Knight or whatever famous guy style track in beatport if he wants, but it was-not-his-style... Think a little and you can understand this... In the end, he was bored with the scene and quit, c'mon guys, what is the problem with this? Just respect him and try understand him, lots of producers do that (ie. vincent de moor, andy blueman). I read his farewell message and I can understand him, so I wish him good luck. *** And Laurent... I accompany your work, blog/trance.nu/tranceaddict posts since 2002 when I knew trance music, obviously you are one of my classic producers that I admire. But like you said, you (and Yves Deruyter) used to do like Fabio Stein, the difference is: he complained once and quit, he is moving on. You complained million of times and you didnt quit, YET. I'm your fan too but when you quit for some reason, maybe you will understand Fabio Stein and others that leave the scene. I wish you last longer before this... And dont understand me wrong, please... But quoting "Fabio who?" because you have literally hundreds and hundreds of releases was not cool, imo... You used to be very humble and helpful. Good luck and peace, Anthony.

TOTALLY agree with you Anthony.

Fabio is one of the most genuine people you will ever meet.

I think everyone is misinterpreting why he has left this so called 'scene' (which actually reminds me more of a playground).

He left because of its state. It's a fools game. Anyone who argues against it is plainly idle. To those that wish to remain in the scene, fair play. How can you criticise someone for hanging up their boots when everyone in the top 100 cheats?

Some people live their live's based on integrity. You saw what Fabio said in his post, right? He was depressed. Now he has quit, he is happy. He has changed his life, just like Tiesto did. Although I don't like Tiesto's style, I still salute him for doing what he wants to do rather than living his life as a template.

Anyone who criticises him for this is just a total loser.

And as to slating his music in a malicious manner, you haven't got a clue.

In Fabio's words, to the haters, FUCK YOU.

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Originally posted by alexlosy And as to slating his music in a malicious manner, you haven't got a clue.

We haven't got a clue about your OPINION? C'mon, dude, you're smarter than that. As for slating other peoples' music, that was my only problem with his entire resignation - he used his resignation as a podium to slate everybody's music, rather than taking a hard and honest look at himself. The man's music is no better than anybody else's and he has NOT been a game-changer in the industry, so he has no right to point the finger at anybody else. Before you pick up a flag to start a revolution, you'd better know for damned sure that you're on the side that you think you're on.

Aside from that, I have no problem with him or the resignation, so please keep the personal attacks out of this and focus on the real issue. Although, I will admit, as Laurent, Looney4Clooney, et al. have pointed out that resignations are usually much better received by just fading away, rather than making a grandiose announcement and indictment of the people around you; otherwise, you run the risk of being perceived as a petty, self-serving person with a desperate cry for attention.

As I said previously, I wish him well and that's all I have to say on this subject. [/dead horse beating]

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Originally posted by cryophonik I spent a little time listening to his tracks on youtube. Am I the only one who can listen to a track like the one below and find it very ironic that he is complaining about the lack of unique and special music in EDM and asking "where's the beef?" This track epitomizes lack of substance and original thinking - it's generic, formulaic, robotic, and I don't think I heard a chord change in the entire song (TBH, I sorta tuned it out from boredom after about 4 minutes). <

I found that same track and thought it was totaly generic and dire and very plodding.

The reality of edm, is the reality of painting, few are really good enough, original enough and determined enough to strike gold.

None of us are bemoaning the fate of all those poor painters out there with so much talent but no one praising them. It's lions on the plains, some get all the meat and mates, some don't, the natural order of things.

Originality is also pretty crucial now and not easy. We tend to fall into patterns, for example using stutter or the finger and end up sounding like one another. Sometimes throw away all the gagets and toys and do your music in a hands - on old school way.

I actually believe personal esoteric ways of doing things are much more interesting than reaching for the latest must have gadget.

PS - I know I'm no good so far, but onwards and upwards, the journey is fun


Some great posts in this thread guys.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler PS - I know I'm no good so far,..

Well, that's definitely debatable and I'd say that you're wrong. But, moreover, this isn't about you or me or anybody else on this forum because we aren't the ones pointing the finger at every EDM producer and saying "you guys are all failing me and I'm sick of going against the grain."

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Originally posted by alexlosy ). He left because of its state. It's a fools game.

You need to read up on psychology and history.

Every Human endeavour features;

a) Enthusiasts
b) The disalusioned


Read the history of painting. Fabios story is a well trodden path.

Read up on early 70's bands such as the influencial prog rockers, King Crimson - they disbanded as they said the scene had become poisoned and generic! It could be Fabio talking.

Fabios exist every where all the time.


You are exhibiting classic traites well documented by behavioral social scientists. You for example are 100% CERTAIN THAT ANYONE WHO ARGUES IT'S NOT A 'FOOLS GAME' IS IDLE. This is absolutely what psychologists predict you would think - those disalluisoned with a scene always say this and they cannot understand why others cannot see the poison all around them.

This then is your reality tunnel beyond which your brain refuses to see.

I've heard such sentiments on scene specific forums from motor cycling to angling and martial arts (often dissidents want to form new strands of martial art as they feel the one they are in has lost it's way and become all about control from the top).

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Originally posted by alexlosy I think everyone is misinterpreting why he has left this so called 'scene' (which actually reminds me more of a playground). He left because of its state.

I think you're misinterpreting people like Cryo when they attack fabio for what he's doing. We're well aware he's done with EDM because of the state of the industry, the point we're trying to make is it's childish to blame the industry for not being progressive and innovative when you yourself can't do anything groundbreaking yourself. It's not unreasonable to quit because of it, but slamming the scene for things that he's guilty of himself makes him look like a tool.

Nobody's saying he's not a stand-up guy, it doesn't matter if he helps old ladies cross the street and volunteers time to nurse sick puppies back to health. He's blaming other artists for ruining the EDM industry when he's part of the problem, which is pretty fucking low. That's all anyone is saying.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler You need to read up on psychology and history. Every Human endeavour features; a) Enthusiasts b) The disalusioned Read the history of painting. Fabios story is a well trodden path. Read up on early 70's bands such as the influencial prog rockers, King Crimson - they disbanded as they said the scene had become poisoned and generic! It could be Fabio talking. Fabios exist every where all the time. You are exhibiting classic traites well documented by behavioral social scientists. You for example are 100% CERTAIN THAT ANYONE WHO ARGUES IT'S NOT A 'FOOLS GAME' IS IDLE. This is absolutely what psychologists predict you would think - those disalluisoned with a scene always say this and they cannot understand why others cannot see the poison all around them. This then is your reality tunnel beyond which your brain refuses to see. I've heard such sentiments on scene specific forums from motor cycling to angling and martial arts (often dissidents want to form new strands of martial art as they feel the one they are in has lost it's way and become all about control from the top).

Years ago, I might have been inclined to agree with you but psychology has fallen far, far off the path it was on. It has been littered with rot ever since they took Narcissistic Personality Disorder out of the DSM. What the fuck?

Fuck psychology. I'm fucking over it and all the haters - fucking narcissists!

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