We cant just kill saddam. Killing Saddam would make him a martyr in the middle east. With all the chemical warfare and nuclear missiles going around, a third world country is no longer a third world country when it comes to war. I see no shame in bombing the hell out of Iraq if they harbor terrorism. As far as killing innocent citizens . . . . .thats a sensitive subject because we all know the citizens are as dangerous as the Iraquis soldiers themselves. And who knows . . . .i still believe the Iraqis make false civilian casualty counts and on top of that, they probably use their own civilians as shields to protect US military targets.
War is war, and anyone that supports the idea of flying two commercial airplanes into two buildings, should get shot.

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I'll say something before this thread get closed (please close it).


The US economy is doing bad, they had this plan of destroying Iraq a while ago but didn't feel the urge to do it since the economy was doing good. Everyone was making money, why the fuck care aboout shitty ("put any nationality here")?

Ok now no one is making money, and they wants something to divert peoples attention and create jobs at the same time. Easy just declare a war! ANYONE, just CREATE A WAR!!! Who gives a shit about Saddam? or the Iraki people during the last 10 years? This people has been starving to FUCKING DEATH! DYING of stuff no one has died off since centuries! Because the US and UK don't let anything in.... don't tell me now they care about the IRAKI people!!! They could've killed Saddam in the gulf war a while ago... but why didn't they do it? To keep him on the side just in case they need a war later on... Same thing for Osama! NOW YOU TELL ME NO ONE FOUND HIM YET?!?? Why isn't he dead?!?! because they keep him on the side... This has happened before and will happen again.

The US economy is based on the Military-Industrial complexe who employs millions of people. These guys need work now and ANY WAR WILL DO IT!

Anyways people, most of you are too much endoctrinated by CNN and others... anyone who cites CNN just proves my point. CNN isn't news, its propaganda as always has been, look closely to their news and just once in your lives criticize what you hear or read!! Do that for yourself, not for Irak or whoever else. Medias here are controlled and very well too... Don't ever take them for granted.



AND for your own knowledge ( GO READ GOD DAMN IT ): for nuclear weapons, IRAK doesn't have the technology to launch ICBM and no one will ever give them that (its like giving a gun to a murderer). Countries who possesses ICBM that can reach them back just don't sell them at all. SECONDLY, EVERY nuke emits radioactive heat and waves. The US has satelites around the earth that detect those radiation and that's on any spot on the EARTH. So don't tell me some jack ass will put a nuke in his backpack and fly over or EVEN row to America and explode himself.

And about those infamous tapes of chemical weapons tested... SO WHAT? Intelligence know these stuff a whiiiiiiile ago and everyone in the military knows it! Heck anyone can create chemical weapons! So why *now* freak out if Osama is able to make them? One word: marketing... Those tapes are no doubt real, its just to get public opinion in favor of Iraqi bombing because them too are "making" chemicals and other ooooh nasty weapons! only for that! Now a days, its non-scientific public polls that govern US politics... not votes or that thing called democracy.

CNN is amazing! at marketing and plain propaganda!

DON'T BE NAIVE PEOPLE!

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I think people like to talk a lot of shit about things that they think are true. No one really knows the whole truth. These political arguments seem to be fueled by senseless crossfire of unsubstantiated facts. CNN said this, CNN said that. The fact is, the Bush administration could very well be claiming that Hussein has weapons of mass destruction just so they have something to tell the rest of the world when it asks why Iraq is being bombed again. Then again, it may be true. We have people here contradicting eachother, both claiming that their arguments are based on cold hard facts. Does no one here ever say to themselves "I'll believe it when I see it"?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Ok now no one is making money, and they wants something to divert peoples attention and create jobs at the same time. Easy just declare a war! ANYONE, just CREATE A WAR!!! Who gives a shit about Saddam? or the Iraki people during the last 10 years?

LOL.....what jobs would a war create?....and if the economy is bad...um wouldnt that be the WRONG time to start a war?...LOL wars cost millions upon millions....you didnt think that one out very well.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek This people has been starving to FUCKING DEATH! DYING of stuff no one has died off since centuries! Because the US and UK don't let anything in.... don't tell me now they care about the IRAKI people!!!

well MAYBE if they had a leader that cared for them and dint mass murder them they would be fine...but Hussein DOES NOT care about anyone except his soldiers.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek They could've killed Saddam in the gulf war a while ago... but why didn't they do it? To keep him on the side just in case they need a war later on...

i agree they should of..

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Same thing for Osama! NOW YOU TELL ME NO ONE FOUND HIM YET?!?? Why isn't he dead?!?! because they keep him on the side... This has happened before and will happen again.

thats absurd..there would be no bigger glory in this world right now then for the Bush administration to proclaim the death or capture of Osam Bin Laden....

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Originally posted by ahlamalek The US economy is based on the Military-Industrial complexe who employs millions of people. These guys need work now and ANY WAR WILL DO IT!

LOL LOL>....what are you talking about...the majority of U.S. soldiers are not well payed....and the U.S. government does not fuel it's economy on its military....our military drains more money then brings in....are you serious?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Anyways people, most of you are too much endoctrinated by CNN and others... anyone who cites CNN just proves my point. CNN isn't news, its propaganda as always has been, look closely to their news and just once in your lives criticize what you hear or read!! Do that for yourself, not for Irak or whoever else. Medias here are controlled and very well too... Don't ever take them for granted.!

well CNN is a better source then your using because 99.9% of what you said is either utter conspiracy or completley far fetched and FALSE. So if anyone should gain a new source it is you.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek AND for your own knowledge ( GO READ GOD DAMN IT ): for nuclear weapons, IRAK doesn't have the technology to launch ICBM and no one will ever give them that (its like giving a gun to a murderer). .!

uumm also not true...they are working on getting that from Korea and China as we speak...and its IRAQ with a Q not IRAK with a K...so you go READ GOD DAMN IT.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek And about those infamous tapes of chemical weapons tested... SO WHAT? Intelligence know these stuff a whiiiiiiile ago and everyone in the military knows it! Heck anyone can create chemical weapons! So why *now* freak out if Osama is able to make them? .!

um because Osama is a lunatic...mayube you want a lunatic with those weapons but the rest of the civilizied world does not.

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Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one Does no one here ever say to themselves "I'll believe it when I see it"?

not when it involves my fellow Americans lives at stake....and my families...because when WE SEE IT..it will be in our backyards...NOT YOURS.

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one big huge motherfucking STFU to tiesto14 and his pathetic lame attempt into quoting everything said by giving stupid reasons.

while you're at it , why don't you go buy a weapon , kill saddam and osama , and make the world better ? is that your dream ? i bet it is , then what are you waiting ? the army is recruiting , UNCLE SAMS WANTS YOU , ur gonna be the biggest hero in the us nation

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Originally posted by fastmp3 one big huge motherfucking STFU to tiesto14 and his pathetic lame attempt into quoting everything said by giving stupid reasons. while you're at it , why don't you go buy a weapon , kill saddam and osama , and make the world better ? is that your dream ? i bet it is , then what are you waiting ? the army is recruiting , UNCLE SAMS WANTS YOU , ur gonna be the biggest hero in the us nation

wow are you angry and frustrated?.....maybe you should take an aspirin.

this is a grown-ups conversation if you can't handle it maybe you should stay in the BTG is Drunk Again and Asses Threads...seems more like that would suit your level a little better.

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wow are you angry and frustrated?.....maybe you should take an aspirin. this is a grown-ups conversation if you can't handle it maybe you should stay in the BTG is Drunk Again and Asses Threads...seems more like that would suit your level a little better.

bahahahaha!!!

*still laughing*

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Originally posted by fastmp3 if america (specially bush) decides to bomb iraq again , it's probably gonna be the biggest mistake made in the american history. bush and america keep on bitching about "how evil saddam is" , well what the hell are you guys waiting to get rid of him ? you have the power to kill him and give the freedom to iraqis to choose but yet you don't want to do it because the more a country is poorer , the more a country is undeveloped , the more a country is ruled by a dictator , THE MORE IT'S BETTER FOR THE US . instead of it , america still prefers bombing the whole country WHICH MEANS KILLING CIVILIANS AGAIN using an imagined reason : IRAQ is making chemical weapons. well let me tell you something : HA HA HA HA do you guys think Irak , where kids die from starvation and lack of medecins , and suffer from an economical embargo would make these weapons NOW ? if you answer yes , then one more big HA HA HA HA on you. Iraq used to make these weapons back in the 80's when they where rich enough to buy all africa and change it's name to IRAFRIKA , but since the gulf war , the money entering in there is counted by drops (french expression). anyway my questions are : -if america/bush wants really to get rid of saddam and his regime cuz they are "evil" then why don't he send some mega-marshal-sniper-pyroman from hollywood to get rid of him and install at least some democracy there ? and why instead of that america/bush want to bomb the whooooooole country from north to south using a fake and stupid reason called "weapon manufactures" ? -why american call themselves "peaceful people" when 60% of people asked in polls agree to bomb iraq ? don't you think it's gonna create more hatred towards the USA again ? -why is tony blair/england following the USA like a little puppy when it comes to attack someone ? this is not a "let's bash america and americans" thread , i'm just asking these questions and seeking for answers.

Personally I am against any war in Iraq.
But, I have to say that the post above is one of the dumbest and most bigoted things I have ever read on these forums...

Fastmp3, get yourself sorted out, on the one hand you're against Saddam, on the other you're an anti-American fanatic...

You start from the premise that Americans are there to harm Arabs, and that America is evil... How can your posts have even the slightest hint of objectivity, when that initial premise is so extreme and reactionary?

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LOL, everyone knows War pushes the Economy in full swing. That is just basic FACT that "everyone knows". Look at WW1 and WW2, it got the economy moving at an incredible pace. The only thing it costs millions of is lives. :P

I don't know how it is basic "FACT" that Saddam gets lobsters and shrimp flown in for him as he runs around the neighbourhood chopping off heads of innocent civilians.

I can say its basic "FACT" that everyone knows the US government and the Rich Right-Wing minded CEO's of American media has most average Americans brainwashed, but I'd have just as much credibility with the Saddam "FACTS"

Cuz you know what? We're all on here saying this and that, but in reality, WE DON'T KNOW SHIT. The Government and media do a fucking good job of making sure WE DON'T KNOW SHIT. And when we think we do KNOW SHIT, its usually BULLSHIT. So lets stop pretending that we're experts, and open our eyes, and maybe try to learn something.

Anyways, Saddam can't be killed, cuz like Busy Child says, it just makes a martyr out of him. If you don't know what that means, it means that people who really didn't give a shit about America will start to hate them, because they killed Saddam. How does that work? If you don't know, you're probably too ignorant to believe me anyways.

Anyone who belives in "nuke the whole country, who cares about civilians they're scum too" I'd like for you to walk up to an Iraqi mother and father and tell them to their face "Oh well, tough luck, civilians die too sometimes in war." Its easy when you're thousands of miles away watching on TV on your cozy couch. These people are living in conditions worse than your trailer parks and bronx neighbourhood ghettos, add on the fact they don't know when the next bomb will be coming.

With that said, I think Negotiations are always the answer. If they don't work, keep trying. Thats the only way, for us, as humans to move forward and evolve in International Politics. This "no negotiations with terrorists" thing is bull, because if you don't talk, lives are lost. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by quddha LOL, everyone knows War pushes the Economy in full swing. That is just basic FACT that "everyone knows". Look at WW1 and WW2, it got the economy moving at an incredible pace. The only thing it costs millions of is lives. :P

LoL.......not true.....war costs MILLIONS.....think about it...

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Originally posted by quddha I don't know how it is basic "FACT" that Saddam gets lobsters and shrimp flown in for him as he runs around the neighbourhood chopping off heads of innocent civilians.

noone said he chops heads off....but it is a FACT that Hussein is enormousley wealthy and that he murders his own people...your wrong AGAIN

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Originally posted by quddha I can say its basic "FACT" that everyone knows the US government and the Rich Right-Wing minded CEO's of American media has most average Americans brainwashed, but I'd have just as much credibility with the Saddam "FACTS".

your right we are all zombies who are enchanted by the powers of the media...can anyone say conspiracy theorist..LOL

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Originally posted by quddha Anyways, Saddam can't be killed, cuz like Busy Child says, it just makes a martyr out of him. If you don't know what that means, it means that people who really didn't give a shit about America will start to hate them, because they killed Saddam. How does that work? If you don't know, you're probably too ignorant to believe me anyways.".

lol...omg......

Main Entry: [1]mar·tyr
Pronunciation: 'mär-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Greek martyr-, martys, literally, witness
Date: before 12th century
1 : a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion
2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle


1 : a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion

hhhhmmm i guarantee Hussein wont give his life VOLUNTARILY...he will fight...so that doesnt apply....ok next

2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle

hhhhhhmmmmm what of great value and principle would Hussein sacrifice?..murder of innocent? hatred? moral values?
lol...

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Originally posted by quddha Anyone who belives in "nuke the whole country, who cares about civilians they're scum too" I'd like for you to walk up to an Iraqi mother and father and tell them to their face "Oh well, tough luck, civilians die too sometimes in war." Its easy when you're thousands of miles away watching on TV on your cozy couch. These people are living in conditions worse than your trailer parks and bronx neighbourhood ghettos, add on the fact they don't know when the next bomb will be coming..".

well i dont condone "nuking" them...however if we HAD to nuke them...hypotheticaley speaking, because they would nuke us...then yes i would tell each and everyone...because if its me and my family and my loved ones and my country to theirs...well i choose mine..as would they.

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Originally posted by quddha With that said, I think Negotiations are always the answer...".

nope sorry America doesnt negotiate with terrorists. it doesnt work.

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