Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
So things have taken an interesting turn:
quote:
TTC chair Karen Stintz submits petition that could resurrect light rail plan
TTC chair Karen Stintz has submitted a petition bearing the signatures of 24 city councillors to the city clerk, triggering a special council meeting on Wednesday that could potentially spell the end of the mayor’s transit plans.
At his weekly weigh-in Monday, Ford refused to respond to reporters’ questions about how he will confront the latest threat to his agenda at city council.
Funny thing is, I agree with Ford that the entire rail should be underground. It is faster, it does not interfere with traffic. And no matter what is developed above ground, the line would function untouched underground.
But, when the money just doesn't exist what do you do?
In theory, subways everywhere...but that just has not worked as a theory in Toronto. We need more rail, and we need it now.
Feb-06-2012 16:28
Orko
Digital Hippie
Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
The province needs step in and sort out this mess. Nobody is agreeing, and each side is saying that council has not voted on 'the plan'.
To boot, the metrolinx "contact us" page is down.
FFS guys.
Feb-06-2012 16:38
smuncky
Architect
Registered: Dec 2003
Location: richmond hill, ontario, canada
quote:
Originally posted by Orko
The province needs step in and sort out this mess. Nobody is agreeing, and each side is saying that council has not voted on 'the plan'.
To boot, the metrolinx "contact us" page is down.
FFS guys.
well, one council did vote on TC elements. can you guess which one?
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Feb-07-2012 00:14
kotsy
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Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Underground
This could be the turning point for TTC - The new chief has 15 years experience in the London Underground
That's great, so the rest of Ford's term will be spent battling the TTC Board instead of supporting them. There go another 3 years where nothing will happen until the mayor is replaced by some guy who wants to scrap LRT and subways in favour of a skytrain...
Originally posted by GGM
That's great, so the rest of Ford's term will be spent battling the TTC Board instead of supporting them. There go another 3 years where nothing will happen until the mayor is replaced by some guy who wants to scrap LRT and subways in favour of a skytrain...
The mayor no longer has the effective power to prevent anything from happening on the transit file; all he can do is continue to trumpet his "the people of this city want subways!" mantra to the media which he will likely continue to do for awhile.
Because all the EAs for the current plan have already been done (barring Sheppard if it is decided to not pursue LRT there), it is only a minor amount of administrative stuff which must be aligned before they can break ground on Eglinton/Finch.
Because enough of council centrists are on board with this, there is no more of a reasonable argument in saying this is a "coup by the pinko lefties" - anybody who campaigns on the nonsense which got Ford in (or if he decides to try a repeat) will not be likely to meet with the same amount of success.
Mar-07-2012 00:09
djchez
tranceaddict
Registered: Oct 2008
Location:
LRT's??? whats wrong with this city?? WE. NEED. SUBWAYS!!!!!!!!!!
Mar-07-2012 03:53
daves
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: May 2005
Location: Toronto
quote:
Originally posted by djchez
LRT's??? whats wrong with this city?? WE. NEED. SUBWAYS!!!!!!!!!!
When you can convince the majority of the city to be willing to pay the tolls/fees/taxes that would need to be levied to fund subway construction... then we can get subways.
Ford's plan to have city developers foot the bill was kiboshed by the developers themselves. They are "fully onboard" with subways but not willing to put their own coin into it.
Mar-07-2012 17:46
Platipus
317 Godfather
Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Waterloo
quote:
Originally posted by mahalliner
The difference between subways and streetcars/LRT is one of capacity (passengers/hour) and cost. Subways are expensive to build and operate. Their capacity in terms of passengers is also much higher. But to make them even break even requires a huge number of people using it. LRT requires fewer passengers to pay for itself. Most areas of the city that don't have subway service now are nowhere near the density of population to support more subway lines. The Sheppard line is an example of that. There needs to be the population there already (or well on its way to being there) to support subway expansion.
If you build it, they will come!
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