Oh, and richie is actually right; Cocaine and crack are NOT physically addictive.

You can do it every day for a year then stop and you will not go through physical withdrawal from the drug itself. Extreme psychological withdrawal? Yes.

You may have severe physical problems from what the drug itself has done to your immune system and organs over time, but just the lack of the drug itself will not kill you.

Same thing with Ketamine.

Really, all these drugs are fucking horrible.

To quote my old biochemistry professor: "In medicine 1+1 doesn't equal 2". All bodies are different.

Congrats on 10 years EZ.

Yep, fuck AA. I mean, it's sets you up to where if you fuck up, your life is over. What's worse than years of sobriety out the window, being drunk or feeling like you just lost 10 years of your life and that you're a miserable failure? Same reason why someone who was sober for 25 years suddenly drank himself to death, he probably felt like a piece of shit from eating up all that AA garbage his whole life. But, it does work for some people and as long as it keeps them alive then I suppose that's a good thing. What it did provide me with was some perspective. I have none of the observable physical symptoms, I clean up well, etc. But hearing these people talk about what they would do while drinking( they're 30,40, 50 years old..) while I'm at 25 and have nothing weighing me down with my whole life ahead of me, makes me happy and makes me want to become more responsible. I get this feeling like there's a pit inside of me when I think about all the things I want to do in life, we only live once, scary but sobering.

Great article about drinking. My dad had epilepsy so that could help explain why I have such awful anxiety sometimes. He would have a grand mal seizure every 2 weeks and depending on where he was or what he was doing, it could be pretty traumatic. A 10 year old boy trying to catch a 200 pound, 6'1 man is pretty scary. Pulling his clenched, contracted fists from around the handle of a lawn mower that's turned on can be too. Among other things. I don't have PTSD though, no nightmares (hardly ever), etc. I think my problem now is motivation, determination, and frankly just becoming an adult. The way I feel like I'm on track is that I haven't been asking people for help or wearing down relationships the way I was before, so people are much more willing to enjoy my company. Staying away from old influences is important too. I have a friend and when we get together, all bets are off.

Rann, yes they are awful. But it's also sad to see the social and societal implications of drug law. The effects of the drugs are one thing, but being an addict also makes you a criminal in the eyes of the law, not a patient. My friend who started taking me to AA was addicted to crack for 10 years, and has 4 years sober. I'm glad that I've only done crack and ketamine a handful of times, haven't done cocaine in over a year and haven't done ecstasy in over a year. After a while, it gets too stressful trying to have a blissful night out when you're worried about your friends ODing, blacking out, hurting themselves or someone else, or getting in trouble with the law.

Update: today my buddy I was crashing out with had his desktop jacked by a meth head who my friend was letting stay there for a few days. Dude comes back and gets super defensive and aggressive saying people are accusing him, when I followed him down based on the last known direction he was travelling and spoke to 2 separate eye witnesses who described his fat, ugly tattooed ass carrying a bunch of shit. Has the nerve to come back and ask for a place to crash. He started getting in my face, I packed up my computer and got the fuck out of there. Fuck that shit.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Oh, and richie is actually right; Cocaine and crack are NOT physically addictive. You can do it every day for a year then stop and you will not go through physical withdrawal from the drug itself. Extreme psychological withdrawal? Yes. You may have severe physical problems from what the drug itself has done to your immune system and organs over time, but just the lack of the drug itself will not kill you. Same thing with Ketamine. Really, all these drugs are fucking horrible.

the only drugs i will do are ones insurance will cover. I found that this new lifestyle is much more rewarding in that i get up at 7 ready to roll. I do go out out every few months and if i need a supplement, i just take adderall and xanax or if i just landed a contract , oxycontin. But i won't drink if do that.

I have a prescription for this stuff for years and i've been cutting down but i keep refilling my prescription. I have a treasure chest of pharmaceutical flavours. My girlfriend gave me her sephora make up case for it. That heavy duty metal one. Its kinda funny.

I can't really do street drugs. Cocaine will make my nose bleed. Crack is just funny. I mean where do you even get that. Actually i wouldn't even know where to get any drug. I think that is probably a good thing if you have problems.

I say ditch the friends. Not sure if you have anything worth money but most thefts are someone you know. Get a new phone and don't transfer any numbers. Don't live with people that do drugs. I'm a little devil well, used to be in that if the means are there, and i've had 1 drink, it seems like a good idea to just take it up a level.

most importantly, set yourself some goals. You will not want to ruin the momentum you have when you notice how much you are getting done. Eventually you will get so much reward from not being all fucked up for days. I look forward to mornings so it would take alot of convincing to go hard.

I went from a functioning adderal , benzo , painkiller user in that it wasn't to get high but i was so over loaded with work and stress that it was to just cope. I eventually started to find ways to improve my ability to work more as the drugs are like a loan. You pay eventually. I would say my habit was not really an issue except to me. Nobody noticed but i felt i could do more if i found better ways. This was say from 2003-2010. Painkillers were more when i was at school in a nerdy classical setting which was kinda funny. But even while i was doing this stuff, i still exercised, rarely drank and managed to not end up like so many. I never wanted to get high, just feel ok on the good side. So that the 4 hours of sleep doesn't make you want to tell everyone around you to suck it hard.

And probably the one thing is getting up early. And exercise. Your libido will also thank you. And eat right. No sugar. Veggies. And lots of water.

Ah shit i just noticed the theft. Rule of thumb, do not let anyone that does meth or crack see or know anything about you. Where you live, who your friends are. Those drugs , well you dont' start off doing meth at least banging it. You are already an addict by that point. Same with crack. It is probably a good idea to be very selective who you let in your house.

Even when i sell equipment from someone i don't know. I never do it at my house. Just don't trust musicians. Especially EDM or rap artists.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie I have to laugh at K heads, because K really ruins the bladder. Can't wait till all these people are 40 year old pants pissers. Lol.

Most of what I've read on the topic relates such problems to prolonged, addiction-type use. A lot of studies cite the use of 5 grams a day as a sort of guarantee for these things, with long-term use of a lot of k causing it as well, but I've also read that many associated symptoms abate when a user weens off of the drug (of course, it's very possible that one could do irreparable damage before that happens). I don't think most users fit this profile at all.

You might be more well-read on this than I am, or have better information. This is just the general picture of things that I have.

there is also those lesions they found in rat research. Onley ? something with an o. But honestly, i can't imagine how much you would have to do to do real damage. I mean are people doing this 2-3 times a week ?

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Well that's what I'm wondering as well. As with most drugs, the ketamine use of normal users doesn't seem to have been studied in any reasonable way. As for 2-3 times a week: if you read the anti-drug campaign literature, or watch some of the documentaries (like the one posted earlier in this thread), you'd think that using 1-5grams 6-7 days a week is normal. Somehow I just don't think that's right. Perhaps ketamine abuse is more prevalent in European countries where the drug is much less expensive? I don't know all that much about it, but I do know that I've both read an experienced that k isn't addictive, and I've found that recreational k use, especially that associated with certain dance music scenes, doesn't seem to even come close to 5grams a day, or even 5 grams a month for that matter.

Take a look at the documentary. Spells out where K usually originates from, and shows an addict. Aparently, it is psychologically addictive.

Jenny is right re: the bladder problems. However, it was an extreme addict case in the documentary. Some guy had to have his bladder removed and replaced. Now, everytime he takes a piss he has to stick a tube up his uretha and drain his bladder to a bag.

Doctors are noticing that symptom more and more with repeat K users. The problem with K is that you build up a tolerance extremely quickly; so finding the K-hole gets more dangerous and more expensive as time goes on (if you are a repeat user). Guess you can say that with almost any drug dependency though, lol

Shit, I don't even know any "EDM artists". I'm the only one in this town who produces properly anyway. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only dude who put any effort into learning the ropes. Everyone else is a DJ poser, I don't even pretend like I DJ, because I fucking do not. DJs suck.

The whole change your number bit, I like that. Fortunately I hid my laptop cleverly before I left to get beer and when I got back it was still where I put it. I honestly just wish I had it in me to bash this mother ******'s skull in, because we know who did it. He came back.

I do wish one day I could eat more raw vegetables. drink way more water, and quit drinking during the week. When I started getting into alcohol it was when I ran out of cannabis, so I'm obviously an addict by nature. It was just way easier to go buy a 12 pack for $15 if I couldn't find any weed for $20 or $40 or $60. Fuck, if I was hunting down an eighth and I couldn't find one I'd buy a bottle and a 12 pack and a pack of cigarettes, get fucked up and write on the interwebs all night, wake up and realize all the stupid shit I wrote -- and got nothing done. Tlyphe whole point of the weed was I could combine it with caffeine and get lots of music done, I simply accomplish nothing when I drink.

Fuck people who steal from others. I steal from stores for fun or if I don't feel like paying for menial shit, but NEVER from others. But a whole computer? It's kind of a rush being around crack heads though. Kind of makes me feel better about myself. I am glad to report, however, that I'm out of that situation and tonight I will be eating ribs and chilling out with non-crack head people that I love and trust.

edit: 4 grams of ketamine is a LOT. They bring it back in water bottles, boil water for a source of heat, put a ceramic plate with a little ketamine solution poured on top of the boiling water pot to vaporize it, which leaves the powder K there. Trust me, if it's easy to get K in the UK, it's far easier to get it by crossing the border to Mexico and hitting up the pharmacy. The guy I was hanging out with barely had use of his nostrils but I know they weren't doing grams at a time. You can't do anything on K, it's fucking stupid. You can't even have a conversation with anyone. If it were possible to just do a tiny bump of K and go on with the party and have a good time, that might be OK, but typically from what I've seen people just sit around in groups and get retarded on this shit.

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they make you feel better because they lower the standard. Surround yourself with people that inspire you and pull you up, not drag you down.

As far as water, just get in the habit of assuming not drinking this water will result in the worst headache ever. YOu should always be drinking water. Well to a point. Then you die.

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Well, I generally do drink plenty of water, especially when I'm drinking. I have a pretty good capacity to ingest it while in the midst of a bender, which allows me to get more drunk for longer periods of time then my friends. I have very fair skin and excellent complexion, I'm 25 and I look 19. But I am wondering how long this will last until I just start to look like shit.

Pretty sure I've always made that assumptions about headaches. If I get carried away with too much water I eat a package or 2 of saltines. And yeah, hanging out with crack heads is awful, but I always know for certain that I'm the best looking, smartest person in the room. Not at that rate though. No fucking way I'm ever associating with crack/meth heads again. Dumb, ugly, smelly, trouble.