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Originally posted by Lews "Innocent" is a bullshit term. This whole situation is fucked up. If it was a clearer issue of black and white, bad and good guys, then yes, we would have a responsibility to step in. That's why we intervened in Libya. Syria is a clusterfuck of good and bad people on both sides, with atrocities committed on both sides. Blaming everything on Assad is completely myopic and idiotic. We have neither the right nor the need nor the desire to intervene and shouldn't. A blind desire to help the "good innocent people" isn't going to make this situation any better.

Exactly my point.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 It's irresponsible to allow a regime which uses chemical weapons against its own citizens to remain in power.

I agree with this BUT you also have to realize that the rebels have also used those weapons against the Syrian regime.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 To make it even more absurd is that Syria is actually a member of the UN. A member of the UNs government is actively using chemical weapons on its own citizens and nobody is doing anything at all about it.

Why do you assume that those weapons were used on the people and not the rebels? The rebels for the most part do not represent the Syrian people and most of them are paid foreign fighters from outside so technically he is not using them against his own people.

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Originally posted by Lews "Innocent" is a bullshit term. This whole situation is fucked up. If it was a clearer issue of black and white, bad and good guys, then yes, we would have a responsibility to step in. That's why we intervened in Libya. Syria is a clusterfuck of good and bad people on both sides, with atrocities committed on both sides. Blaming everything on Assad is completely myopic and idiotic. We have neither the right nor the need nor the desire to intervene and shouldn't. A blind desire to help the "good innocent people" isn't going to make this situation any better.

Sorry, i disagree here. Had assad stepped down early enough we would probably be dealing with a situation similar to what's happening in egypt.. It isn't perfect, but at least you commence some sort of democratic process. The reason why it is a clusterfuck is because Assad attacked his own people from the start, tortured, raped killed abused and so forth; simply to hold onto power (also probably pressure from the russians and hezbollah). They torture people; kill others and make sure some survive so they can tell their family and friends what happens when you opposed the assad regime. The result is desperation, guerrilla warefare, anger, vengance and civil war. There is a reason why magua is angry.

why would the US, which is allied with israel, support the rebels, which in turn is and will endanger israel?


fuck john mccain. is there a war that he does not like?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange why would the US, which is allied with israel, support the rebels, which in turn is and will endanger israel? fuck john mccain. is there a war that he does not like?

hezbollah is more of a threat to israel than the rebels. Assad regime supports hezbollah.

i understand that. but for the US backing the rebels, Hezbollah might not be joining the fight, and Russia and might not have supplied these anti-aircraft missiles to the Syrian government, which in turn, might fall into Hezbollah's hands and rain on Israel or weaken Israel's ability to maintain a strong offense.

i refuse to believe that the policy wonks and strategists in government are so stupid that they couldn't have foreseen these sequence of events, which leads me to question what is their ultimate goal in this chess match. ultimately this is about something else that's not particularly clear yet.

i was generally uninterested in this topic, but thanks to this thread i'll be keeping a closer eye on this events. i think i may be able to learn something. thanks guys.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Sorry, i disagree here. Had assad stepped down early enough we would probably be dealing with a situation similar to what's happening in egypt.. It isn't perfect, but at least you commence some sort of democratic process. The reason why it is a clusterfuck is because Assad attacked his own people from the start, tortured, raped killed abused and so forth; simply to hold onto power (also probably pressure from the russians and hezbollah). They torture people; kill others and make sure some survive so they can tell their family and friends what happens when you opposed the assad regime. The result is desperation, guerrilla warefare, anger, vengance and civil war. There is a reason why magua is angry.

Yeah, if he had stepped down. Which didn't happen and clearly wasn't going to happen. Counterfactuals like that are worthless for analyzing a situation.

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