i should add, medication wors but only short term. If your doctor is a psychiatrist and doesn't have a plan for therapy while you are on the meds, run. The research is pretty conclusive for adhd in how to treat it right and medication is not the solution at least long term.

The real solution takes more work and shitty doctors will take the 6 month win than worry about your long term health.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i should add, medication wors but only short term. If your doctor is a psychiatrist and doesn't have a plan for therapy while you are on the meds, run. The research is pretty conclusive for adhd in how to treat it right and medication is not the solution at least long term. The real solution takes more work and shitty doctors will take the 6 month win than worry about your long term health.

Yes, and unfortunately you still going to have a lot of challenging days ahead......... but the only way forward is to fight my friend - there is always a light on the end of the tunnel.

Btw, nice to have back man

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Yep, pills don't teach skills. All that medication can really do, from experience, is stabilize and provide you with some breathing room to work skillfully.

Mindfulness is a thing you might want to look up. It's astonishingly helpful, and a recent study showed that it is equally effective as traditional CBT.

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Originally posted by deegee Yep, pills don't teach skills. All that medication can really do, from experience, is stabilize and provide you with some breathing room to work skillfully. Mindfulness is a thing you might want to look up. It's astonishingly helpful, and a recent study showed that it is equally effective as traditional CBT.

yeah its sad but meds aint the answer they just keep things at bay i came of my meds 6 months ago and oh man what hell i have been in since untill they put me on some more lol.

cbt is helpful but needs to be practiced on a regular basis

Take someone from the 19 th century and put them in 2015 with 10 k and identification.the guy will not last a week. To say society and living are the same is a rather untenable idea.

There have been many so called "epidemics" that coincide with advancing medicine because we no longer label things as other/satans handy work.

It amazes me that you probably own cars and would not be surprised of issues with the engine occur and can be hard to fix because it is the brain of the car. It plays a funds,entail role and is used 24/7. Why is the brsin off limits. Are you saying people should suck it up. Things are different. Maybe everyone are bitches but e word is less violent than it was so what exactly is your point.

You bitch about say a spear thru your leg. That shit was so common bsck in the day. This is why relativism has no merit in these sorts of talks. Where do you draw the line.

Your logic seems to have to explain why. It is. Simple as that. Your theory about white people adds nothing. Things are different, people do suffer and you clearly have no grasp regarding the research going on to make the allegations you make.

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You both make valid points but there are nurture /societal issues that have changed things.

These days people so much mroe concerned with what is wrong with them, but in previous decades or centuries your worries were more life or death (spear in the leg probably meant death or lifelong disability whereas now it's probably a couple of months suspended gym membership).

There is the argument (what I was getting at earlier) is that when you you're worrying about where the next meal is coming from or where I am going to get enough drinking water for the week, or what happens if the fire goes out, you don't really worry about if people think your instagram picture makes you look like a chubber.

I grew up poor and with family members that had serious physical disabilities so I think form a young age, whenever I started worry about myself or thinking about my 1st world problems too much, the "it could be a lot worse" chip got activated and I would STFU.

Having said all this - it's all relative. I know people who have more money and options than god - basically should never want for anything in their lives but their emotional and mental problems are just as valid as someone who grew up with fuck all or had it extremely tough.

We have already realized were a society of hypochondriacs and neurotics, and then alone comes the ADHD generation (which really is a product or modern life) but that doesn't meant that mental illness doesn't exist both within and outside of these.

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Originally posted by Robotrance I've learned is that those who shout about it usually isn't the ill cases but rather just a cry baby needing a kick in the ass.

Absolutely.

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Originally posted by Robotrance However those who say everything is fine, let me be, are the ones that truly struggle. I could tell a couple of long story's but why the hell would I to a group of people all falling under the first category; the attention whores? I'm sure your life's have been terrible because you were sensitive. I was too, but I never said anything to anyone about it because from early on I learned that some people have it way worse dealing with real things I'm not going into detail about.

That touched me.

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Yes I agree with those statements also. One thing I know that during the worst of times I know its only temporary and it'll pass with therapy, meds, good diet and social involvement. I wonder how my friend felt when he suicided (FL Trance addict). Some don't believe in outside help and succumb to an ill situation.

Shit I just made a detailed post and deleted it in error - fucking Microsoft mouse has delete functionality.

In brief I can relate to many of these experiences despite never having been looked at by the world of medicine in this regard.

Loads of points I made, one of which is I cannot cope with more than one task at a time and find having various main tasks on my agenda to be stressful.

GEAR - I cannot cope with more than a very few bits of gear, I find too many choices to be daunting in the extreme. This has a cost for me, but I cannot change.

Simple things like buying Xmas presents and cards I find virtually impossible tasks and yet I can clean a room down to the very last bit of dirt on a hidden cable taking 3 hours happily to do this.

Highly organised is some respects and yet highly disorganised in others, a weird mix.

I digest masses of politics, and yet cannot read a paper more than a minute without feeling disjointed and tired.

Can be both very blunt and tough with people making them squirm and yet on another occasion verbally clumsy and seemingly clownish and even lacking confidence.

Always say the wrong thing at parties. So I noticed this girl we know had nice ankles so I said out loud "you have the ankles of a Plough Horse". In my mind I knew just what I meant and it was a compliment but people fall about laughing with these sorts of comments.

At the same time this can very much offend people. So for example another woman close friend asked me why had we not invited her on our holiday (we are going with other friends) and I replied honestly that it's because we would not get on being with each other for 14 days. She was very upset, but I meant no harm.

So I endlessly have to watch what I say but this is very tiring.

SMALL TALK - do you find this difficult? I find it horrendous, almost makes me ill, and yet with work clients you would never pick this up as I seem highly confident and in control.

OBSESSIVE - I am known for this. If I get an idea I have to see it through there and then. For example I had this obsession with planting bushes to the extent I got up in the dark one Christmas Eve and dug a massive load of soil and had them all planted by 6am. Waiting was out of the question.

Anyway, I feel often I exhibit autistic tendencies.

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This I all can adhere to, though it doesn't prevent me from functioning day2day. And I wouldn't certainly take meds for it.
I consider this normal, or specific, everyone is specific in certain areas.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Shit I just made a detailed post and deleted it in error - fucking Microsoft mouse has delete functionality. In brief I can relate to many of these experiences despite never having been looked at by the world of medicine in this regard. Loads of points I made, one of which is I cannot cope with more than one task at a time and find having various main tasks on my agenda to be stressful. GEAR - I cannot cope with more than a very few bits of gear, I find too many choices to be daunting in the extreme. This has a cost for me, but I cannot change. Simple things like buying Xmas presents and cards I find virtually impossible tasks and yet I can clean a room down to the very last bit of dirt on a hidden cable taking 3 hours happily to do this. Highly organised is some respects and yet highly disorganised in others, a weird mix. I digest masses of politics, and yet cannot read a paper more than a minute without feeling disjointed and tired. Can be both very blunt and tough with people making them squirm and yet on another occasion verbally clumsy and seemingly clownish and even lacking confidence. Always say the wrong thing at parties. So I noticed this girl we know had nice ankles so I said out loud "you have the ankles of a Plough Horse". In my mind I knew just what I meant and it was a compliment but people fall about laughing with these sorts of comments. At the same time this can very much offend people. So for example another woman close friend asked me why had we not invited her on our holiday (we are going with other friends) and I replied honestly that it's because we would not get on being with each other for 14 days. She was very upset, but I meant no harm. So I endlessly have to watch what I say but this is very tiring. SMALL TALK - do you find this difficult? I find it horrendous, almost makes me ill, and yet with work clients you would never pick this up as I seem highly confident and in control. OBSESSIVE - I am known for this. If I get an idea I have to see it through there and then. For example I had this obsession with planting bushes to the extent I got up in the dark one Christmas Eve and dug a massive load of soil and had them all planted by 6am. Waiting was out of the question. Anyway, I feel often I exhibit autistic tendencies.

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Originally posted by Robotrance . Seems you're not getting what I'm saying. I'm just tired of bigmouths shouting about how terrible their life's are when in fact the only problem they have is lack of attention from their parents. This goes for people way up their 30s it's quite amazing. Those with truly mental problems are usually embarrassed about and keep it for themselves trying to hide it even for themselves. And then we have a real problem. Those that are fine get help while those who need help walk around as zombies hoping to get overrun by a car to end it all without bad concious. Imaging putting a kid from 2015 into the 19 century without papers or money. He wouldn't last an hour.

Are you a mental health professional who treats these people?

Because if you're not, you have NO idea what people are struggling with. None.