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Originally posted by Vector A Neither the quasi-fascist demagoguery of someone like Trump or "let's declare every olive-skinned, dark-haired person who doesn't speak any recognizably European language other than rudimentary English to be a 'refugee'" seem like very reasonable solutions to me.

I don't think that's Merkel's stance towards refugees.

When she made that Palestinian girl cry, she explicitly said the country couldn't just welcome everyone and would have to send some people back. When refugees arrived en masse, Germany actually did the most sensible thing: According to Schengen rules, they couldn't just close the borders, so the best they could do was deal with the refugees after they arrived. It was the right thing to do because people were risking their lives in the Mediterranean, and there was little Greece, Libya, Turkey, and Italy could do to stop the humanitarian crisis. Stopping people from going would be just as troublesome.

Abbott, Australia's former prime minister, tried to "stop the boats" (which you can argue is a way to deal with the problem). In a way, boats stopped arriving, but that's because the Aussie taxpayer was already footing the bill paying for offshore asylum processing centres re-opened during the last Labour government, and would-be refugees were being sent there. Could Europe do something on a similar scale? Unlikely as it's too fragmented. Would it be worth trying if it could? You'll probably agree detaining hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers is just infeasible, so this is probably another dead-end.

In short, Germany isn't just welcoming everyone with open arms. It's just trying to deal with the situation in the most realistic possible way.

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers Yeah, it's wierd. A Web forum full of PLURtards still clinging to their dead genre think I'm trolling. If you think allowing 1,000,000+ Muslims into your country shows competence, I'm afraid you are too far gone to ever see reason. "Compassion" in this case is endangering the western world. In the real world, we call this "Pathological Altruism".

The real what?

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Originally posted by Trance-M Meanwhile, at 70 km from me at the right side in Germany (Belgium at the left) this is getting a lot of attention: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046 http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/05/e...-year-assaults/

Wow, that's really bad.

Years back, I was watching one of those, "I survived" shows and a young woman who survived a ferry capsizing in Indonesia (I think) said most people couldn't swim. She managed to make a float out of her pants or something. But she came across another survivor out in the middle of the ocean and he tried to grope her.

That kind of suppressed male hormone culture is insane.

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Originally posted by Znack Wow, that's really bad. That kind of suppressed male hormone culture is insane.

It is, in Cologne, the number of reports of sexual assault and robbery during the New Year rose sharply to 379 as not all women lived in Cologne. In about 40 percent of the cases involve sexual violence. The group of men was about 1000.

Also in Hamburg there were 108 reports and in Bielefeld there are reports of assaults after around 500 men violently invaded a disco and women were harassed.

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Originally posted by Trance-M It is, in Cologne, the number of reports of sexual assault and robbery during the New Year rose sharply to 379 as not all women lived in Cologne. In about 40 percent of the cases involve sexual violence. The group of men was about 1000. Also in Hamburg there were 108 reports and in Bielefeld there are reports of assaults after around 500 men violently invaded a disco and women were harassed.

Yes. Men who aren't allowed to see women, interact with them until marriage? It has the effect, (and I've met some of these guys as they experienced the Western world), of creating men that don't know how to act around women who aren't covered up or chaperoned.

Think of it as growing up and never being socialized around women. On top of that you are told again and again that Western women are all whores.

Add a little alcohol to the mix of a large crowd of immigrant men who came without wives or other family members - that don't know how to behave around Western women and you get this kind of crap.

Now it may turn out to be a bunch of German hooligans, alcohol and men could result in something similar regardless of the culture. But I doubt that's what this was about.

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Originally posted by Znack Yes. Men who aren't allowed to see women, interact with them until marriage? It has the effect, (and I've met some of these guys as they experienced the Western world), of creating men that don't know how to act around women who aren't covered up or chaperoned. Think of it as growing up and never being socialized around women. On top of that you are told again and again that Western women are all whores. Add a little alcohol to the mix of a large crowd of immigrant men who came without wives or other family members - that don't know how to behave around Western women and you get this kind of crap. Now it may turn out to be a bunch of German hooligans, alcohol and men could result in something similar regardless of the culture. But I doubt that's what this was about.

There already were some problems with North-Africans in Collogne, but this suddenly exploded. I think no-one expected or imagined something like this could happen. They say it was organized.
There's a lot to investigate I guess.

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