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SYSTEM-J
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STOP CENSORING JACK!
I want to give a shout out to my friends -_RichardVet_-_rubyai60_-_sergioir1_-_albertarw69_-_oapedfab_-_aapedwex_-_Sergeytulk_-_marciete11) +27 guests
Promise me you never sell out or I'll buy two of those
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DJ RANN
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well, you did say:
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Should have qualified it further by saying "in a similar genre". At that time, and now, trance and techno were and are very different beasts so again, it's silly to compare Mills to Tiesto. Tiesto to any of his peers, yes - I stand by that completely.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
As far as I'm aware, Tiesto wasn't doing anything radically different in 1998-1999 to what he was doing in 2000-2002. Certainly all his tracklists, mix CDs and live sets look like exactly the same kind of commercial supermarket trance right through that spell.
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Well a single year span comparison isn't really enough time to do anything radically different (i.e. 1999 to 2000) but firstly he was already starting to sell out by 1999 and as I said earlier, by 2000 he'd hired ghost producers and started making that big room stadium trance sound that he personified in the 2000's.
Again, I think your experience of trance at that period was limited to what was on the supermarket shelf because in 1995 when tiesto was making his name, you were still in primary school. Don't take that as a personal slight - it's not - it's just you can't really comment on a club scene that you have zero first hand experience, in the same way I won't try to tell people what the paradise garage was like in the early 80's. I've read a load about it but that's only a fragment of the story intwined with other people's narrative (who probably weren't there themeslves either).
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
From everything I've read, heard and listened to from that era, my impression is firmly that trance fans were convinced they were the centre of clubbing cool in that era, but every other scene was face-palming hard. An enduring affliction of trance fans, it seems. |
I think this is just bitterness and ignorance - If you had read any one of the 1000's of the threads on TA discussing trance of that era, you'll see so many people telling stories of how much fucking fun that period was, and just as many people wishing they were part of it that didn't get to experience that music in clubs.
Epic House, House and Trance WERE the scene then, and all the others couldn't keep up (or keep their door open) so trying to say every other scene was facepalming is just pure fallacy. I had mates who were die hard Techno fans (Dave Clarke, Green Velvet etc) and they'd still come out clubbing with us because of the sheer energy and fun of it.
One thing I don't think you realize what that the crowd was older - it wasn't really 16 yr old candy ravers that made up the majority of clubs. I was under 18 and by far the youngest in nearly all the clubs I went to, even the underground unlicensed raves that didn't give a shit - if it hadn't been for my talent of creating great fake ID's and not bottling it in front of bouncers, I doubt I would have got in to any of them. Shit, a lot of trance/house clubs were 21+.
That's in stark contrast to what came later which was underscored by the sudden demise of the scene across Europe, something which is has been well documented and universally lamented by anyone that was in to trance through the 90's and 2000's. The music changed vastly from the late 90's to the early-mid 2000's and I'd argue it led to the fucking awful tripe we have now.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
To get away from the meta-critic debate, as much fun as I find that, I actually would consider it fair to say that Tiesto was relatively 'underground' (in a sense) 1995-1998. I'm a big fan of the Guardian Angel mix comps he put out in those years - the programming is rather poor, but the track selection is quite good. There's a lot of stuff on those mixes that you'd be hard pressed to find on other mix comps. I believe this was the time he was working in a record store, before he had many (any?) international residencies. It's really around 97/98 when he left Basic Beat and started up Black Hole that his work starts to become much more commercial/popular, according to my reading of events.
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Spot on. Again, I'll say it one more time - I'm not tiesto fan, never was, but there's no point trying to rewrite his place in the scene retrospectively because of what he is now. In the mid 90's when he was killing the circuit, he really was a decent DJ, breaking a lot of new trance in multiple big and respected residencies and it was toward the end of that decade that things started to change for him direction wise.
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Mr.Mystery
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SYSTEM-J
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