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Originally posted by Sarcoman Someone mentioned earlier that goa came from psytrance. I disagree, I think goa came first. Goa is named after the portugese colony in India where goa trance first originated. Because it was a familiar tourist spot, many people took it back to their native countries. Ive been listening to Goa for 7 years, and love both goa and psytrance. I didnt hear about psytrance till about 3 years ago.

psytrance was presented in detroit at the 80s, goa trance evolved mainly in the 90s, i could be wrong, but i belive im right cos the people who told me that are some producers that have more knowlege in this area then i do, i dont know the exact history, but i do know for sure that psy-trance (not as we know it today, as a subgenre of techno, which it still is...) was presented in detroit in the 80s, and goa evolved in.. goa, later, u heard of psy later cos its not so popular as goa, i belive we need to ask some proffesionals what they think bout this, anyway, its the music that counts, oh, and listen to me mama...

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"Trance music started evolving in the late 80's under three main influences: the first was the electronic new wave/industrial music of Front 242, Einstruze Neubatten, Killing Joke and the likes; the second was the electronic techno disco of Detroit; and the third was the psychedelic music of the seventies. The first step towards what we know nowadays as Trance or Goa Trance was done in 1988 with the introduction of the TB 303 sound into straight beat dance music, and the amazing effect it was found to perform over people dancing. This effect was further enhanced by the administration of a rediscovered drug called MDMA (or 3, 4 methylene-dioxy-methamphetamine) or as it was popularly labeled on the streets "Ecstasy" and so Acid music was born and brought upon the UK the summer of love.

Now let's jump a little bit backwards to the sixties and remind ourselves of a place called Goa in India. During the late sixties Goa has turned into a beach for freaks, rock stars, travelers, and various other excitement hunters, who lived by the ancient mantra of "sex, drugs and rock and roll". Although the fab of Goa has dropped by the late 80's, a hard-core group of Europeans and Americans have remained in that place. By the early 90's, people in Goa have found out the wonderful effect of the Acid music on a stoned head and started to further develop the style. The first people to do so were Goa Gil and his friends, who were living in Goa and experimenting with various musical styles to dance to since the late 60's. Parallel to that in Europe, some of the industrial/new wave musicians have started to take interest in the new sounds introduced by Acid music. They have bended them into their heavier electronic style using more dense sounds and heavier and faster rhythms these were the first steps of the new born child known as Goa Trance. "

u were right, goa was invented first, and psytrance is a genre of it, this history lesson includes other parts aswell, but their consisting in israeli music, and thats not our interest now, BTW, this explanation does not include all the sub genres of goa, which i told to maaz with a pm...

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I was going to update the map today (the goa branch is complete, thanks to Vortex_SA and I'll re-organise the detroit techno branch, thanks to Ishkur ), but I've been downloading several tunes lately (samples and stuff) and I realised photoshop doesn't run well when you have only 25 mb free (the damn thing crashed). Hopefully, tomorrow I'll do it.

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Originally posted by rajay i took at class at my school on the history of electronic dance music and our professor had a map that looked just like that- everything was arranged differently though- He had jungle coming from breakbeat and reggae and trance from ambient and hardcore just to name a few. Ill try to find my notes from the class and post the map he had. There was a pretty good argument behind everything he had on there.

Trance: Trance evolved from EBM which evolved from Hardcore, so, trance did come from Hardcore, that's right. The difference between my map and (prolly) your professor's map is that I thought it would be better to show that EBM was on it too. Oh, before I forget, ambient was important as well and the only reason I didn't add a branch from ambient to trance was because, my map would be even more confusing. Besides, there are "ambient trance" and "ambient psy-trance" (which will be in the next update) which show that ambient is present in trance's history.

Drum'n'bass: This explanation is quite long... here's some copy and paste for ya

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Posted by someone at the drum'n'bass arena... Breakbeat was an underground music which had originally come in from the USA in the late 1970s. Frankie Bones, at his early DJ-ing stage had created breakbeat irregular music, whereby he had overlapped two same records on turn-table decks at slightly different speeds and slightly delayed. This would create asynchronous beat, which would drive the crowd crazy. His track named "Bones Breaks" was a pioneer if not discovererof breakbeat which has remained strictly underground since. In the late 80s, house scene erupted in UK, especially in London. As house scene had progressed, the ecstasy rave culture had emerged from the youth, suppressing the football hooliganism. House from one side and breakbeat from the other side had created a combination, which later led to production of what was called jungle and what is now called drum & bass. It was around 1990, when jungle started emerging from the general dance scene. Kickin' and Shut up & Dance record labels started fusing breakbeat, house, hip-hop, reggae, techno and most importantly dub to produce what they called Jungle. In fact the name originates from one of the experimental clubs in London, called "Jungle" where the first fusion experiments were played. The term "jungle", though, had remained in the underground until 1993. DJ Hype creates breakbeat feeling by mixing house and hip hop at 45 rpm on Phantasy FM. Later co-produces some of the first jungle tracks under the name The Scientist, with the tracks like "Excorcist" and "The Bee". Telepathy - one of the first hardcore jungle clubs kick starts in November. Mickey Finn creates the track Bionic Man, which uses the same idea as the Excorcist. 1992 was the year when the hardcore music was peaking. Jungle was often confused with hardcore, which was quite similar at the time, but was directed more towards 4/4 base beat, rather than looped asynchronous rhythm. Jungle had just made its way to a larger audience, while hardcore was a total novice to the dance scene. Both jungle and hardcore were played at the same raves and sometimes the artists didn't even know whether the track they made was jungle or hardcore. Both of the styles were co-existing under one roof and so there was no separate jungle scene. Johnny Jungle (today known as Pascal) had released a hit called "Johnny" which was a beginning of the new era. Johnny L created "Hurt You So" on XL recordgins, which highlighted the breaks out of the hardcore formula. 4Hero, LTJ Bukem, Grooverider, DJ Hype and other future jungle producers started heading in the new breaks direction. The true jungle was ahead. 1993 was the end of confusion.

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Originally posted by QRIUS1 Congratulations on the map, my brazilian brother!... I thnk it rox... TESAO!

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New map uploaded (the map is in the first post ). I added some psy-trance sub-genres (thanks to Vortex) and I re-organised the origin of Detroit Techno (thanks to Ishkur).

Is there anything else that should be changed?

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Last edited by Lira on Nov-20-2002 at 23:29

all you whiners, shut your pieholes, k!? stop bitching and help out, or dont post at all. IMO i think he did a great job, perhaps its not 100% accurate, but he can work on that, and all those subgenres that you thought he might have made-up, take more than half a second to think about them, and "maybe, just mabye" you will see what the hell he is talking about. Also, i like the lay-out, but it reminds me to much of a metro-map , espicially the water-bus's in venice.

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Originally posted by Maaz New map uploaded (the map is in the first post ). I added some psy-trance sub-genres (thanks to Vortex) and I re-organised the origin of Detroit Techno (thanks to Ishkur). Is there anything else that should be changed?

now its perfect!
but if its not a big trouble u can replace the genre "psy-trance" with "goa" and put psy as a sub of goa, cos i realized that this way its more correct... anyway, GJ!!
keep up the good work!

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It's no problem at all... the only reason I won't do it right now is because I'm at the university I'll do it when I get home


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just some thoughts...

freestyle is left out, should be added somewhere in the vicinity of synthpop --- > eurodance... // in that whole general area that is. Seeing as freestyle has direct disco roots should place it close to disco as well. Eurodance is influenced by freestyle & disco, so it should be linked to freestyle/disco as well... modern eurodance or new euro is influenced by trance & synthpop....

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA now its perfect! but if its not a big trouble u can replace the genre "psy-trance" with "goa" and put psy as a sub of goa, cos i realized that this way its more correct... anyway, GJ!! keep up the good work!

what's this I keep hearing about full on trance within the psytrance scene, is that an official sub genre of psytrance or just some silly term people throw around? I've seen compilations... Full On vol.1/2/3/4 etc...

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Just wanted to say your map looks great! And probably as accurate as you can make it without a hundred criss-crossing lines all over the place. It does remind me a lot of the london underground. Nice job!!!

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