ok jdat, but there's only one country at the moent which thinks it can police the world. Care to guess which one?

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Originally posted by Stunt ok jdat, but there's only one country at the moent which thinks it can police the world. Care to guess which one?

and exactly what has this got to with the thread? immigration conserns people coming into the states, so it has full rights to "police" this process.

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OK whoever posted this is dumb, and I just want to prove this to you, and how you have been brain washed if indeed you think this is true.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike 1) Rejection of the Kyoto agreement. Producing huge amounts of pollution, instance on manufacturing and driving cars that use double of the petrol of any other car of the same side made outside of the US.

The USA is only one of many nations which rejected the treaty. The fact is the treaty would have went into action with agreement of other nations (some 60% or so, can't recall specifis). Yet many saw it the same way the US did, as a very unfair unbalanced treaty.

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2) State executions, including executions for crimes committed as a minor, and for the fact that the system is grossly racist.

First crime is apparently very racisit, as most of those who commit it seem to be from one 'race', therefore the system reflects this. Furthermore other nationas have executions and are not critizied heavely for it. Furthermore this is an internal policy of the USA, you don't for instance see the USA critizing many nations for not having a death peanlty.

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3) Coming late into the second world war, when it had already been all but won and needlessly killing thousands if not millions of innocent German civilians.

Why do you not critize nations who did not come into the war at all? Such as the spanish, the dutch, the swiss, the russians, and then other sides actually allying themselves with the Germany such as Italy, Iraq, and other arab nations??

And if you truly think that WWII was all but won before the USA came into the picture then you are of the mind who has been washed.

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4) Starting the Vietnam war because of their insane and misguided fear of communism, attacking civilians with napalm, etc.

You can not say it was misguided or insane. It followed the established doctorine of deterance.
Aside from that they had won a phyric victory (or loss) in Vietnam, and won the war against communism. We can not fortell how the world would be like today if it were the reverse. Personally, I don't think it is a world I would wish to live in.

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5) Greedy Mr Bush wanting to capture Iraqi oil interests for his stupid family, his hidden financial wrongdoings, his hidden cocaine and alcohol additions.

Right, lets slip into conspiracy theories shall we? If so they're are a ton I can throw back at you, from the Russians, Chinese, Western Europeans, Arabs, etc.. how come these conspiracies aren't critized as stronly as those of alleged american officials? Again, very selective.

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6) Starting practically every war over the last 100 years, fighting to capture the oil, or against communism, basically attacking whatever is not beneficial for the country at the time.

Now if you truly believe in this point, then I think your mind has been bleached. First of all, most the wars that happened in the past 100 years you probably can't name. The majority of them are in regions where we could care less, namely we care less because the USA is not their. The wars we know are the wars the USA has chosen sides in, but this is the vast minority of wars and conflicts, espeically in the scope of a 100 years. This is such a BS point, I don't feel any need to go beyond the above counter.

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7) The hugely biased & inward looking media. The lies they tell their people, and what their people believe, even though through the internet they can find out pretty much anything they like - just not believe it. Americans deny truthful things just because they haven’t seen it on ‘Fox News’.

Oh sorry, this is coming from a man who believes the USA started all wars in the past 100 years. Apparently they have not heard of all the wars in asia, africa, latin america.. for crying out loud, who is inward looking now?

And damn, if Americans tend not to believe in conspriacy theories because they believe their politicans are usually dumb and not capable of such grand schemes as opposed to the rest of the world believing what any undocument unbacked source will tell you then fine, so be it.

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8) American sanctions on Iraq

What american sanctions on Iraq? I didn't know america had sanctions on Iraq... I thought it was only the UN, hmmm funny.

And lastly, what the hell does this have to do with airport security?

I don't know.. but I'll add one sentance in here that does:
The US airport security and INS do not RACIALLY discriminate, the NATIONALLY discriminate, and this is fine and moral. Discrimination does not mean EXCLUSIVE just with a TILT or BIAS.
Ok two sentances then.

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Originally posted by jdat In Isreal all Arabs get profiled And many other places which I can't think of right now

jdat you bring up good points. Indeed many here are critizing only the USA for such policies when it is MUCH worse in many other nations.

For instance, being an Israeli if I would be killed (as a spy no less) if I tried to get into many arab countries, detained indefinetly in others. But this is ok, nations can chose their enemies.

The problem is me being jewish, I am barred from entry into many arab gulf states. Does not depend on my nationallity, only me religion. Now if that an't racial profiling I don't know what is. No questions, no detention, no get on on the next plane. Simply you can't get in, your a jew. But you don't hear me complaining. (and this post isn't a complaint, its just a counter argument)

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Originally posted by Izzy yes it is a solution. a solution being an idea or concept that solves a problem. by burning the house down you get solve the problem of a few cockaroaches. its definitly not the best solution or even a morally right solution but it is a solution.

dude you defiently like playing with words, you know exactly what I meant but you prefer undermining my opinion with your idiotic childish remarks. the worst you keep doing it everytime you can't answer back to someone having a good point in these forums... you keep attackin the form, while what people care here is the content. people then loose intrest in the discussion and leave, then you have your last word believing you are the victor or whatever you want to call it.

I'm gonna rephrase my sentence to please some of the syntaxical freaks over here.

burning down a house because of a few cockaroaches is not a valid solution.

in other words, persecuting and harrassing millions of individuals because a handful of men did wrong is unacceptable. and that is in any situation, period of time and country.

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Originally posted by Yoepus For instance, being an Israeli if I would be killed (as a spy no less) if I tried to get into many arab countries, detained indefinetly in others. But this is ok, nations can chose their enemies. The problem is me being jewish, I am barred from entry into many arab gulf states. Does not depend on my nationallity, only me religion. Now if that an't racial profiling I don't know what is. No questions, no detention, no get on on the next plane. Simply you can't get in, your a jew. But you don't hear me complaining. (and this post isn't a complaint, its just a counter argument)

you can't get in some arabic countries cause technically israel and some arabic countries are still at war, the first in mind is Syria.

also, even a Christian can't enter Saudi Arabia... only muslims because it is a holy land. I know that if you have a work permit there you can stay in Saudi Arabia but only in some areas of the country.

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Originally posted by Yoepus What american sanctions on Iraq? I didn't know america had sanctions on Iraq... I thought it was only the UN, hmmm funny.

because the US pushed forward with sanctions, some countries like france, china and russia wants them removed, but the US and its dog the UK vetoed everything.

the US and UK are the only countries that enforce it on a daily basis by bombarding Irak and not letting boats get thru, also they will sanction any country doing buisness with Irak.

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And lastly, what the hell does this have to do with airport security?I don't know.. but I'll add one sentance in here that does: The US airport security and INS do not RACIALLY discriminate, the NATIONALLY discriminate, and this is fine and moral. Discrimination does not mean EXCLUSIVE just with a TILT or BIAS. Ok two sentances then.

yes they do discriminate on a racial basis, if you look like an arab, pakistani, or anything not white, then they'll systematically harass you. thats the whole point of the furry of many people all over the world... ever heard the term "_racial_ profiling" ?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek dude you defiently like playing with words, you know exactly what I meant but you prefer undermining my opinion with your idiotic childish remarks.

dude chill out... wasnt meaning anything agianst you.
if i wanted to undermine your opinion i would quote that specific opinion and give an arguement agianst it. i chose that specific one call it childish i dont care... maybe you and I know what you meant, but those reading didnt, just maybe

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the worst you keep doing it everytime you can't answer back to someone having a good point in these forums...

im not embarassed to say when someone has a good point. specifically take this thread, my first post said that i belived that the US airport security has gone beyond the bonders of common sense. moving on i then go and argue for or agianst other side issues that arise. ie your cockroach house scenerio

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you keep attackin the form

i am not attackin the form, i am only exersicing my freedom of speech.

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while what people care here is the content.

ill be the first to say i care about content more then anything else. in fact most the topics i am particularly strong at i use direct refernces (from quotes, books, statistics, etc) to back up what i say. but after all this is a forum and although content is important thats not say there shouldnt be a personality or identity to give this forum some spice, some life, which in my opinion translates into more people being interested and not bored away.

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people then loose intrest in the discussion and leave, then you have your last word believing you are the victor or whatever you want to call it.

is that really what you think? as if i care about a "virtual win" if anything when a thread is ignored what i leave with is a feeling of, 'well at least i put my opinion out there and hopefully widened the views of those reading, even if they dont agree'. the only way i would even fantom a win would be if i see a post such as 'wow, in light of what you just said, i do think your opinion is more right then what i thought' sadly i've never seen a post like that, hehe.

sorry if i've ranted away to much especially off topic, call me crazy but i seriously enjoy these forum here.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike unfortunately the americans are literally "hammered" with propaganda in skools, and are basically indoctrinated with american bullshit, and as a result fail to see that their precious country, just like everyone else, can also be wrong. Sometimes going the rite way about summing wont always work.. I hav Quite a lot of hatred towards the American government and a lot of it policies, but this kind of racism just sickens me

just curious have you ever gone to an american school? and if so how is it that you have managed to escape this american propoganda bullshit. this is just totally rediculous. like other countries don't hate america because of propoganda. look at the middle east and the anti america shit you find there? thats the whole problem...america is different from the middle east and they find our lifestyle a threat to their own because slowly their people see the benefits of it and so they attack us. all of this its not fair crap...well boo fucking hoo...if you don't like it, to bad. us policy is created to protect the majority and if that means selective checks at an airport because in the recent past a certain group has been killing americans then thats fine with me.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek you can't get in some arabic countries cause technically israel and some arabic countries are still at war, the first in mind is Syria.

Yes, I'm ok with this. But I pointed out the US is 'technically' at war with Iraq, North Korea, and Iran as well. After all Syria signed and armistice treaty with Israel, and should actually be at a state of 'cease-fire'.

The other, was I am noting other nations, such as Oman, UAE, and so forth, where they just bar you if you state you are 'Jewish' on the checkpoints to entry. This has no national barring, simply religious or race.

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even a Christian can't enter Saudi Arabia... only muslims because it is a holy land. I know that if you have a work permit there you can stay in Saudi Arabia but only in some areas of the country.

No Christians, can not enter select areas of Saudi Arabia such as the 'square rock' mosque in mecha, and I'm sure similar mosques in medina. In essence they are barring non-believers from entry into their holy places. Something only their religion seems to do.

Yoepus,

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The USA is only one of many nations which rejected the treaty. The fact is the treaty would have went into action with agreement of other nations (some 60% or so, can't recall specifis). Yet many saw it the same way the US did, as a very unfair unbalanced treaty.

Yes, but the US by far the largest polluter in the world, so they should cut down their pollution more than other countries. If US pollutes more than the other countries, it should cut back polution more than other countries.

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Right, lets slip into conspiracy theories shall we? If so they're are a ton I can throw back at you, from the Russians, Chinese, Western Europeans, Arabs, etc.. how come these conspiracies aren't critized as stronly as those of alleged american officials? Again, very selective.

Bush has been caught drunk driving, and some of his family had used cocaine.
And if you really believe Bush is such an altruist, you are being very naive. Oil is energent on which every countries economy relies, and it would be stupid to believe that the US indeed doesn't care about it.

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Oh sorry, this is coming from a man who believes the USA started all wars in the past 100 years. Apparently they have not heard of all the wars in asia, africa, latin america.. for crying out loud, who is inward looking now?

America does have inward looking and biased media. Maybe not so biased as some other coutries, but definitely inward looking.

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No Christians, can not enter select areas of Saudi Arabia such as the 'square rock' mosque in mecha, and I'm sure similar mosques in medina. In essence they are barring non-believers from entry into their holy places. Something only their religion seems to do.

Here I agree with you though, their religious laws are idiotic.

Maxim303,

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And with the mid-east, well, they were again the source of agression in this case.

First, the whole of middle east cannot be the agressor. You are making a discriminatory generalization here.
Second, US has been involved in middle east for long enough time that it is very hard to say who the agressor and who the victim is. In the 11.9. incident, the agressors were the terrorists, but overall I think the agressor was the US, for its continual involvement in most of the middle eastern countries' internal affairs.

In my opinion agression won't solve anything, but on the contrary, it will make both sides even more polarized. Arabs didn't hate the US 30 years ago. Only through continual US interference and US supported uprisings did this happen. That's why I don't feel sorry for the US, because many of those terrorists were before supported by the US.

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First, the whole of middle east cannot be the agressor. You are making a discriminatory generalization here. Second, US has been involved in middle east for long enough time that it is very hard to say who the agressor and who the victim is. In the 11.9. incident, the agressors were the terrorists, but overall I think the agressor was the US, for its continual involvement in most of the middle eastern countries' internal affairs. In my opinion agression won't solve anything, but on the contrary, it will make both sides even more polarized. Arabs didn't hate the US 30 years ago. Only through continual US interference and US supported uprisings did this happen. That's why I don't feel sorry for the US, because many of those terrorists were before supported by the US.

you obviously think that america is wrong for 'policing' the world, but in circumstances such as the middle east when the conflict has gone on for decades if not centuries without resolution, then what is the fault in trying to end the blood shed? its not like the us is trying to take over the gaza strip or something. and don't say because we are friends with isreal that yes that is exactly what we want to do because that is crap...