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Dr. Z
edm sux



Registered: Sep 2002
Location: Toronto/Waterloo, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
i think people today are too occupied with "what-ifs" to live in the here and now... why are you people speculating about useless garbage like quantum foam and wormholes? (not to mention time travel)

OK i'm about to type up quite a bit, it's taken from a book (michael crichton novel, in fact), but it will do infinitely better than any sort of explanation i can give.

if anyone's read the Lost World, you'll recognize this... IMO the best and most moving passage in the book.

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"Are you listening to all that?" Thorne said "I wouldn't take any of it too seriously. It's just theories. Human beings can't help making them, but the fact is that theories are just fantasies. And they change. When America was a new country, people believed in something called phlogiston. You know what it is? No? Well, it doesn't matter, because it wasn't real anyway. They also believed that four humours controlled behavior. And they believed that the earth was only a few thousand years old. Now we believe the earth is four billion years old, and we believe in photons and electrons, and we think human behavior is controlled by things like ego and self-esteem. We think those beliefs are more scientific and better."

"Aren't they?"

Thorne shrugged. "They're still just fantasies. They're not real. Have you ever seen a self-esteem? Can you bring me one on a plate? How about a photon? Can you bring me one of those?"

Kelly shook her head. "No, but..."

"And you never will, because those things don't exist. No matter how seriously people take them," Thorne said. "A hundred years from now, people will look back at us and laugh. They'll say, 'You know what people used to believe? They believed in photons and electrons. Can you imagine anything so silly?' They'll have a good laugh, because by then there will be newer and better fantasies." Thorne shook his head. "And meanwhile, you feel the way the boat moves? That's the sea. That's real. You smell the salt in the air? You feel the sunlight on your skin? That's all real. You see all of us together? That's real. Life is wonderful. It's a gift to be alive, to see the sun and breathe the air. And there isn't really anything else."
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werd.


Why don't we just f*ck every single living thing on the planet, get rich, and die wealthy with 500 children and 500 wives. We can degrade ourselves the the pathetic animals that we watch f*cking everyday in the zoo. Wouldn't that add so much meaning to our life? Wouldn't that make our life so worth while living...

No..

Some people believe in exploration, in understanding more than what we precieve. To go where we have never been before, to discover more than we can understand...

That is life, that is gift of our conciousness.

imo

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DigiNut, very nice, I hope its true.

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J.L.
Never gonna give you up.



Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada




sorry couldn't resist

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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!



Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

Alright, gotta hit the books tonight but I'll make a quick response to this:

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
i think people today are too occupied with "what-ifs" to live in the here and now... why are you people speculating about useless garbage like quantum foam and wormholes? (not to mention time travel)


If people had never speculated about useless garbage like cutting grooves on a piece of vinyl, we wouldn't have trance or any other spun/recorded music today.

If people had never speculated about useless garbage like solid-state electronics, we would not have clubs like Guv or Viva, and we would definitely not have computers to participate in this community.

This may all seem like the "here and now" to you, but you don't sound like either an engineer or a scientist. Rest assured that before this technology came out, it and the theories behind it were all considered to be useless garbage. While people like you were getting suntanned on boats, people like us were designing the technology you've come to depend on. Every little thing you do - from getting woken up by your alarm clock, to taking your food out of the refrigerator and heating it in your microwave, to listening to the weather report before you leave, to getting in your car or on a bus to wherever you need to go, once upon a time that was all thought to be useless garbage by non-scientists and skeptic scientists alike.

Alchemy and the four humours were all bullshit, but if it wasn't for the alchemists, we'd never have progressed to the stage of modern chemistry of being able to create such notable products as polyester, glowsticks, and MDMA.

Latez.

Old Post Jan-15-2003 20:06  Canada
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Alccode
teksetter!



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

you have all missed the point.

western society has missed the point, for centuries.

i'm not going to respond anymore to this, because i will not be able to make you understand.

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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!



Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
you have all missed the point.

western society has missed the point, for centuries.

i'm not going to respond anymore to this, because i will not be able to make you understand.


Cut it out with the holier-than-thou attitude, it's total crap. Don't act like you're on some higher plane of intelligence than the rest of us and can't dumb it down enough for us to comprehend. If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion, then don't talk. There's no point in writing a response just to say "I'm not going to respond" - all it says is that you're insecure and stubborn and need to have the last word.

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Dr. Z
edm sux



Registered: Sep 2002
Location: Toronto/Waterloo, Canada

Hehe, Digi, you just had the last word.










Actually, I just did.

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dEsidEL
Fu Man Choonz



Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Below the Belt
KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Z
Hehe, Digi, you just had the last word.










Actually, I just did.


Dr. Z.. this thread is getting ZZZzzz...


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