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Originally posted by Blik seems pretty damn obvious too me that the rules for sigs also apply for avatars. When you say "Sharon is a Terrorist" in your sig your sig will get suspended, and I think it's very obvious that your avatar should be too when it says "Sharon is a terrorist". Some mods were offended by his avatar (including me) and I know that everyone supporting the Palestine case was offended by it. and the reason why we are so harsh to melech_mike is his own fault. He has been suspended once but he keeps on doing the same shit as before. And when he calls me mother****** in PM's I am not going to be nice to him simple as that.... maybe when you people start to behave in this forum the mods will be nicer too....

I think that everyone agrees that Melech mike is a propaganda screwjob, and the majority of us think it'd be better without his opinions here, esp his lack of respect to Neo whos done more for this place than any1 else on the forums, as for other opinions, in a place like this, it's bound to have some heated debate, and i think the mods gotta take that into consideration at times, which the majority do

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Originally posted by Blik seems pretty damn obvious too me that the rules for sigs also apply for avatars.

That's fair enough, but what exactly are those rules, and where are they documented?

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When you say "Sharon is a Terrorist" in your sig your sig will get suspended, and I think it's very obvious that your avatar should be too when it says "Sharon is a terrorist". Some mods were offended by his avatar (including me) and I know that everyone supporting the Palestine case was offended by it.

Well it's just my opinion, but I think that's absolutely ridiculous.

Depending, obviously, upon your specific definition of what constitutes a terrorist, a very strong argument could be made that Arafat, Sharon, and/or George W. Bush all meet the criteria necessary to be considered terrorists. Like it or not, there is a lot of evidence out there suggesting that Arafat may indeed have ties to terrorism:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...anguage=printer
http://www.terrorismvictims.org/ter...ser-arafat.html
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V122/N16/col16dan.16c.html
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0lkj0

Now whether or not you personally believe this evidence is compelling is not really relevant. The fact of the matter is that it is a legitimate opinion, backed up by facts, which is completely different a racial slur or anything else of the sort. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't justify telling him he has to remove it.

The mature way to deal with someone who has an opinion that you vehemently disagree with is not to tell them "shut up or else." The mature way to deal with it is to tell them why they're wrong, and back it up with facts or evidence of some kind.

If Arafat does sponsor terrorism, then his avatar was entirely justified. If he doesn't, it was not. But unless you can prove that Arafat doesn't sponsor terroism, I don't see how you have any business telling him to change it.

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and the reason why we are so harsh to melech_mike is his own fault. He has been suspended once but he keeps on doing the same shit as before. And when he calls me mother****** in PM's I am not going to be nice to him simple as that.... maybe when you people start to behave in this forum the mods will be nicer too....

Yes I understand that his behavior has been inappropriate in some cases. There's no excuse for him to insult you personally in PM's. You're entirely justified in getting upset at something like that. But I don't think that makes it right to hold him to a different standard than everyone else, or to tell him he can't express his opinions just because you don't like them. If you don't like the way he acts, be the better man. Set a good example. If he keeps up with the personal attacks, suspend him for that or whatever you think is appropriate. But if you think what you're doing with his avatar is good for the community... well, I just don't agree.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond and telling the community why you're doing things the way you are. I think that's important and I commend you for doing it where other mods have failed to.

Regards,

Arbiter

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Originally posted by Blik seems pretty damn obvious too me that the rules for sigs also apply for avatars. When you say "Sharon is a Terrorist" in your sig your sig will get suspended, and I think it's very obvious that your avatar should be too when it says "Sharon is a terrorist". Some mods were offended by his avatar (including me) and I know that everyone supporting the Palestine case was offended by it.

If those are the rules for sigs and avatars then those are the rules. I'm fine with that, and I'm assuming then that you'll be consistent on that policy and also suspend avatars or sigs that critisize Bush or Sharon in a like manner ...

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Originally posted by occrider If those are the rules for sigs and avatars then those are the rules. I'm fine with that, and I'm assuming then that you'll be consistent on that policy and also suspend avatars or sigs that critisize Bush or Sharon in a like manner ...

when I see them I will

and these are the written rules, you can find them going to the FAQ and then do a little search:

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Signature Guidelines 1) Keep Nudity to a minimum (sure, there's nothing wrong with it but some people go to extremes) 2) No Images/Banners advertising other web sites - one line of text with a link is allowed. If it is a site that caters to electronica listeners then it MUST have a link to TranceAddict in it's links area. 3) If you include a list of items or a lot of text in your signature then consider changing the font size to Small from the drop down box above the editor. 4) Keep animated GIFs to a minimum 5) Thanks for reading the above - now go be creative with your sig.

but there are also unwritten rules which say that a sig can be suspended by any of the mods when he/she is offended by it, we talk about those rules in the mods forum

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Originally posted by Blik when I see them I will and these are the written rules, you can find them going to the FAQ and then do a little search: but there are also unwritten rules which say that a sig can be suspended by any of the mods when he/she is offended by it, we talk about those rules in the mods forum

it means nothing when Mike posts his sig anyway.......

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Originally posted by melech_mike Great Post Blik [/SIZE]

Will you pack the fuck up with those links in every fucking post, we don't want to know, they were removed from your sig cos of that I suspect, cos only 1 link is allowed, and ur being a complete & utter tit about things, Who knows what really goes on, after all ur in canada, not israel, which means u can't care too much about things, I feel sorry for ppl on both sides being driven by religion when religion does nothing, if a god existed why are there murders & rapes & stuff, all religion is faulted in it's beliefs, and by trying to force those onto us we don't want it, the rules go for everyone so shut the fuck up please else go somewhere else, everyone else debates well, but u bring it to the lowest level

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Originally posted by Blik but there are also unwritten rules which say that a sig can be suspended by any of the mods when he/she is offended by it, we talk about those rules in the mods forum

I don't think that's cool. Sig rules are an important issue on the forum and should be the subject of open, not closed, debate. Of course, I might feel differently if I had faith that the debate regarding sigs/avatars was sufficient.

But the fact that no rationale has yet been posted to justify the classification of melech_mike's former avatar as "offensive" makes me rather dubious that any such intelligent discussion is going on. If I'm mistake, please feel free to enlighten me.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Fuck that. my sig defines who i am.

You can say that again...

I think you guys are on the wrong track.
While 'Offensive' can have moral implications, it can also have implications of rule (see above).

Personally I think spamming political biases outside this Political forum is wrong.
While this is 'supposted' to be a Trance forum, I understand that Swamper didn't have much choice but to create this tangent because of inherent issues in the world. However, not everyone wants to be subjected to others' worldly views and opinion when they've been pounded with it all day as it is.
I come here to escape into a world of music that I love.

Am I being ignorant?
No.

I choose to come and be connected with people of like mind in this place.
Just don't rune it with something as inept as spam while disrespecting others' thoughts and views.

I get enough of that already thanks...

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