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Originally posted by djSlain well the fact is that these drugs are illegal, is anyone on this forum above the law? I mean, i try and be a model citizen, sometimes i j-walk but other than that, i try and keep my record clean. If i lived in holland, i wouldn't have even started and responded to these type of threads. Well unfortunatley, i live in the US and i am trying to tell people that their choice to break the law and take their drugs onto the floor will be affecting those of us who don't even take drugs.

oh will you stfu ! just because you are able to party without drugs doesn't mean most people can as well, people need that, and yes my reply and that reason is absolutely no excuse.

The issue comes from the fact clubs let themselves dirty , and the law is the same inside or outside a club and when clubs willingly let things happen, sometimes with their own support, don't be amazed that clubs get shut down, it's not the the musics fault, it's not the drug dealers faults ( yes and no ... I hope you get my point ), and it's even less the goverments fault, blame falls back on the people, they consume drugs, so they will be sold.

drugs are illegal , and highly placed people, or businesses that let things like that slide should be aware that such actions will fall back on them.

oh and btw, your club entry would double if they didn't sell alcoholic beverages .....

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Originally posted by jdat oh will you stfu ! just because you are able to party without drugs doesn't mean most people can as well, people need that, and yes my reply and that reason is absolutely no excuse. The issue comes from the fact clubs let themselves dirty , and the law is the same inside or outside a club and when clubs willingly let things happen, sometimes with their own support, don't be amazed that clubs get shut down, it's not the the musics fault, it's not the drug dealers faults ( yes and no ... I hope you get my point ), and it's even less the goverments fault, blame falls back on the people, they consume drugs, so they will be sold. drugs are illegal , and highly placed people, or businesses that let things like that slide should be aware that such actions will fall back on them. oh and btw, your club entry would double if they didn't sell alcoholic beverages .....

immaturity ahhh....


some people 'need the drugs'.

well see now youre just reinforcing his point. those people are in the scene for the drugs, not the other way around. if there were a group you could *possibly* blame, they could be it.

BUT!

by shutting the doors of events doesnt make them magically disappear, it just takes the fun away from those people that are partying without illegal drugs. those that NEED drugs, will just go somewhere else, and organize another underground party for politicians to get their panties in a bunch...

beyond that i dont really understand what your post is referring to. i think you need to curb the anger and discuss logically|

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Shutting down clubs is a bad idea, but I do agree with djslain to an extent. Drugs are simply not a good thing and people who use them are often too short-sighted or autodestructive to realize the long-term effects of drugs. But shutting down clubs is a stupid idea because people who do drugs in the clubs will still use drugs, just in other places. Besides, it does target people who may have nothing to do with it (although the owner of the club simply must notice if, say, 80% of the visitors are high on ecstasy). But even bigger problem is that the law doesn't target the ones who are directly responsible, and those are the dealers. Therefore the law is meaningless because it isn't solving the problem, it is only solving the consequences of the problem while not leaving the problem alone. I think a much simpler solution is to bring in a few cops into the party who would bust everyone who is selling or using drugs there, and the club would be free of drugs within a few weeks.

The problem with drugs, and the reason why they are illegal is mainly because they are addictive, and they decrease abilities of individual who uses them after consumption. You may say that it's your right to do drugs, but then when you decide you do need help in getting off it, you want your government to pay for your treatment. Not to mention that the possibility of you turning to crime and therefore actively working against the government and its institutions greatly increases with the usage of drugs. Therefore, legalizing drugs increases amount of addicts on which the government must spend money to cure. Most people often aren't smart enough to control their lives and they expect the government to do it for them. As I said in the other topic about this subject, you may say you won't wear a seatbelt, but you do expect to be taken care of if you get in a crash regardless of the fact that the cost to repair you is many times greater than it would have been if you were wearing the belt. Don't forget that Britain completely screwed up China in 19th century by forcing China into legalization of opium. Soon you had a very large population of useless addicts, which in turn created a huge rise in crime levels and a huge drop in production levels.

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but thats the thing, people on ecstacy arn't addicts who go busting up peoples houses and ripping people off for money for drugs thats the whole thing about it, people in raves arn't hurting anyone else, so why dont people fuck off and get all the crack smokers and heroin addicts who are robbing old ladies to get their next fix, or even better go and stop all the drunk pissheads.. funny that, on the odd occasion when i do venture into the town on a saturday night i never see police patroling the streets stopping the mindless ****s who are walking around the place screaming and swearing on top of their voices..

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at the rate america is going, you'll probably see a probation on penecilin soon...

each drug that is now illegal in U.S.A was once commonly used by everyone legally.

and what about L.S.D.25 - it was made illegal because of some experiments that were made by your C.I.A
while at the same time - a stronger hallucinogenic drug is legal to use, grow & sell - i am talking about "ayahuasca".

goverments all over the world should check their rules in order to see what kind of stupidity led to their creation....

i support FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!!

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I have to agree with DrUg_Tit0- "But even bigger problem is that the law doesn't target the ones who are directly responsible, and those are the dealers."

Exactly. When you go out and someone buys a little and they get busted, most of the time its the buyer that gets the punishment. NOT the dealer, but the club and clubgoer. So the prick thats gone free is getting filthy rich while you sit in a courtroom, and the club owner is closing down because of ONE guy.

the RAVE act is in fact unfair and in some parts unbased, but then again look at our US government and who's at the head of it.

This is not the first time a bill like this has been put into legislation. It was shot down last time... It is a violation of the very core and basic rights of america. The right to gather. Anybody who is for/against/is drugs can see the violation. Write to your congressman if it bothers you.

It's true though, in America we are stupid. In america we believe in repression to solve problems. It doesn't work. Repression gets people in office though on the false claim of 'protecting children'... It is little secret in america that as long as your 'protecting children from being stupid' your doing a good thing. It angers me to no end to see the injustice drug users.. no the PEOPLE of america are done by fucking shitfaces that are 80 years old and forgot what the words 'fun' and 'free choice' mean

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well, i agree with both points.... yeah i see your point about its ppl that take drugs r putting clubs in danger, cis theyre against the law, or new laws are being founded to try and stop the drugs... you must understand though, that their are 2 types of drug users.. ppl hoo just want to get fucked out their minds for as long as possible, and those hoo take drugs to have a great nite (like me)

as mos said.... the club drug scene isnt really that seedy, theres no ripping ppl off for all that theyre worth, cos club drugs arnt mentally or psyically addictive, you want to do it again, cos you know youll have a great time on them.

also, its not just the drug takers that r getting the places shut down, youll be surprised on how much club managers rely on it, cos its all numbers through the doors.

but i still say, you cant immediatley blame drug users for what america is proposing to do now, when they cant see how harmless they are. and ill say this for like the 4th or 5th time... ppl on drugs are completely harmless... its the pissheads that drink a skinfull of beer when they go out that cause the trouble, as ive been on both sides of the argument, cos i used to go out and get pissdrunk, and now go out and take pills, i completely fully understand how things are, and i cant expect you to understand what its like to be involved with taking E or speed, but i assure you, its like your brain becomes aware of a whole different breed of people...... nice, fun loving, non judgemental people.

i say your government should take time out, to evaluate what is more important,.. your drunken wife beaters, and brawlers...... or your 100% party people that dont care as long as theyre having a great nite.

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