Yeah good points, good post.
Just a bit ironic how Hitler associated Communism with Jews that strongly. The Communist regime was almost as anti-semitic as the fascist one and its leaders (be they Marx or Trotzki) both seeked to distance themselves from their Jewish "heritage". They were actually pretty ashamed of it, as was the Eastern European Jewish high society in the Vienna at the turn of the century (when Vienna was not unlike today's New York) which tried to assimilate itself as much as possible (they opposed immigration to Palestine and strongly believed that once assimilated and integrated Jews would fance no more problems)

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You're shitting me. Did he really??? Hahaha that's actually pretty cool. So after he got booted from power did you grandfather catch any backlash?

He didn't get booted from power. He stayed there till he died. He was very liked in the country and throughout the world. There were like millions of people moaning when he died and almost all of the world leaders were at his funeral. But my grandfather died years before that. Although my dad did have some problems when the war broke out in 1990s because of the family history. But we still have that nice house .

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And I do not see any justification whatsoever in the invasion of France etc. If you're unsatisfied with 1, econimic crisis 2, restrictions and humuliations as a result of post WW1 treatties there will always be other solutions than offensive wars

That depends. Prior to Hitler's rise to power France had occupied the richest german industrial region (Ruhr). That's why I think German attack on France was partially justified.

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this posting went nuts!!!!

I learned some new things! But I still mainly remain the same... My views on the jewish reasons behind the holocaust are mainly the views that jews who are observant share as another example of what happens when we Jews lose our way...

It's a sad history tale. If you want to learn about it, its widely known....

The jews have always been assimilating into foreign cultures, and it always backlashes on us. You can go far enough to say its a phenomenon!!!!!! And when you see how repetitive the theme of assimilation --> punishment/expulsion| is then you will agree with me that the observant jewish view is a very good one for jews to have to 'if anything' keep the jews realizing that by going away from our way of life we will ultimately suffer. Because history shows that is what happens.


Thank you for your comments and sharing guys!!!

Shlomo Eliyahu Baron

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Originally posted by melech_mike NFA quote: DROP PILLS NOT BOMBS -- No, drop pills, get them fucked off they're ass, than drop the bombs before they feel they're come downs!! Hey, at least show them you care!

well i was going to say something before but didnt. now that you've said something..here i go

should be:

DROP BOMBS NOT PILLS

gets rid of the ignorant more effectively, and faster too!

>JM<

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Originally posted by JM well i was going to say something before but didnt. now that you've said something..here i go should be: DROP BOMBS NOT PILLS gets rid of the ignorant more effectively, and faster too! >JM<

nice one! congratulations JM, a very useful post for us all, a real pearl of wisdom. thank you 4 showing us what u're truely made of.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 That depends. Prior to Hitler's rise to power France had occupied the richest german industrial region (Ruhr). That's why I think German attack on France was partially justified.

Yea except the Germans got the Ruhr back in the mid-20s in exchange for a demilitarization of the Rhineland ... which they subsequentely violated in 1936.

Essentially by the mid 30's the Germans were ignoring all the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles anyway ... so they didn't go to war to escape the treaty at all.

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Originally posted by occrider Yea except the Germans got the Ruhr back in the mid-20s in exchange for a demilitarization of the Rhineland ... which they subsequentely violated in 1936. Essentially by the mid 30's the Germans were ignoring all the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles anyway ... so they didn't go to war to escape the treaty at all.

there is also the fact that in the 1930's global depression, hitler's solution for job creation was the construction of weapons. having built them, he need to use them. (i see a worrying similarity here with what the bush administration is doing now that it has increased it's already scary defense budget.)

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech never has israel threatened anything on America. In fact quite the opposite! They work more closely they any of you can imagine. look at this palestinian legislator threatens US with suicide bomber! these dirtbags need to be stomped on. Everything on the east side of the jordan river was designated to its rightful owner. But these pigs can't handle that and the baby world cries whenever any justice is served!!! Well we are slowly losing our country, our pride, and our way of life, just to conform to the worlds demands. Would Russia do this in our place? Or Germany? Or Sweden? Or America???? I doubt it. Jews are the worlds punching bag, as long as jews don't realize who they are, A PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE PROUD, not a people who should hide in the dark and 'clothe' themselves in foreign ideologies. Jews should act like jews, after all they are the only civilization that exists from the biblical ages, (as noted by christians around the world, and muslims in fact too!) I'm sure with thousands of years of leadership and stories and books, and laws, (jewish law was what the ancient babylonians based their laws from, and thus we have the roots of todays modern laws) so why don't the jews act according to their own laws? but instead take a 'remixed' version done by whatever handful of countries that they can dwell in? puzzling questions. I think when things are foggy, and unclear in a moment like now, in a few years when someone is gonna take a risk out there, leadership wise, and try something new, we will see the fog start to clear. what part will we play?? SHLOMO

Who are the ones living in refugee camps decades after they were kicked them out of their homes in Palestine?? Certainly not the Jews!!!! I feel so sick that my country sells bullets and missiles and planes etc. so that Israel can murder children throwing rocks...

Israel is NOT a decocracy, it's a theocracy!

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Originally posted by occrider Although I will say that arbiter presents a very convincing and coherent argument. I won't go so far to say that I understand what kind of situation that they are in that would warrant such tactics, however I will say that perhaps their method should be examined more so than their cause.

I agree. I'm not saying I support terrorism @ all. The palestinians need someone other than a terrorist to lead them in their struggle for dignity and equal treatment.

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Originally posted by NFA there is also the fact that in the 1930's global depression, hitler's solution for job creation was the construction of weapons. having built them, he need to use them. (i see a worrying similarity here with what the bush administration is doing now that it has increased it's already scary defense budget.)

Why would you need to use them once they're there? Trust me Hitler's reasons for invading Europe wasn't because he had the tools to do it. And I don't think that Bush is stupid enough to engage in a war simply because he can.

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Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech get a clue!!! a few of you, like Arbiter , sounds like they know what they are talking about. but for the rest of you, no offence, but you in the world, I know because you live like me in a free society, you feel you have the right to stick your nose whereever you please and add your 'needed' two cents, but lets be honest guys! most of you from what your saying have no idae what your talking about!! Firstly, the 'occupation' is full of crap!! the P.L.O. was established in around 1963, AROUND 4 YEARS BEFORE ISRAEL CONQUERED THE AREA OF BIBLICAL ISRAEL, IN A DEFENSIVE BATTLE!!! lol ISrael is the only country to get scorned from what it conquered in a DEFENSIVE BATTLE!!! LOLOLOLOL How can any of you say anything? and that little 'not like what they did in 1948'! YOUR SO IGNORANT I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!!! HOW ACN WAKE UP EVERYDAY NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT!?!?!? ISRAEL WAS CREATED FROM HANDFULS OF JEWS COMING FROM THEIR CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!! And thank you for comparing me to the nazi's you successfully established yourself as non-intellectual-filth-spewing hate filled individual, that when seeing something they're weak mind can't grasp because they are only listening to one side of the story they spew out filth, just to personally hurt the person behind your unfounded anger. Btw, it was the arabs themselves that told their families to move from the holy land of Israel (thank G-d we have again, it has been over 2000 years since we made the mistake of betraying our ways as jews and we lost it!!! but never again!!!). None of you can touch this subject against me. I was mearly posting that about the palestinian. But as we always see, even when Israel is mentioned, but the SUBJECT IS ABOUT PALESTINIANS THREATENING AMERICA, we find that it comes back to bashing jews and israel. Give it up you anti-semite lowlives!! YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE JEWISH NATION FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BUT IT NEVER WORKED!!! LOLOLOL keep it up, you'll go down in the history books as another 'society to bash the long living jews who did more the world then any other nation!' and ill BACK THAT UP TOO WITH FACTS! you want to see more facts??? READ THE LINKS I HAVE ON MY SIGNATURE!! YOU WANT MORE? OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINEU BASHING MY PEOPLE BASED ON YOUR MISINFORMATION??? I WILL GIVE YOU HUNDREDS OF RESEARCHABLE AND BACKABLE QUOTES FROM ARABS ABOUT THE TRUTH I see two kinds of people. Those that know the truth, even if their IQ is 20, or 500. And those that think they know, basing their information on a few sources, (like cnn LOL) and then spreading the misinformed hatred! You make me sick! but we know there are great people out there that don't listen to either side, but do their own objective searching, and Thank G-d for them they make sure we dont go down in a bloody war of lies and deciet!!!!!! LOVE YOU ALL AS USUAL!!! SHLOMO and i've part of this board when you were in diapers on the trance world... I knew swamper and crap from the efnet days of #bpm, #pow and others ... plus we all from TORONTO CANADA SO BOOYA!!! cyrus king : LOLOLOLOL YOU DONT KNOW THE HALF OF IT BIG BOY not that it matters, but cyrus you downloaded a sweet set from me on DC++ the other day... not that you'd remember i hope u enjoy!

That is such bullshit about being a "free society!" Like I said above...if I were a Muslim I would be treated as a second class citizen.

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Originally posted by occrider Why would you need to use them once they're there? Trust me Hitler's reasons for invading Europe wasn't because he had the tools to do it. And I don't think that Bush is stupid enough to engage in a war simply because he can.

yes, of course it wasn't the only reason. i was just adding to the ones already mentioned, all of them valid.
and no, bush is not hitler, and he has other reasons 4 his actions. it's just that there is a slight similarity, and some of us find the situation rather scary, when u consider that the US could almost take on the rest of the world, and it's president barely knows where the rest of the world is.

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