Let's hope there's a solution for the future. Hopefully people will think about this when they are downloading music from the net or copying CDs from each other. Thanks to these people we have lost a lot of sales and they are partly responsible for the bankrupt of our company. If this continues, people won't have any music to download anymore...”

Without D/L all the shit they wouldnt have survived as long as they did now!
People who are spinnin still bought all the records....

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Originally posted by tommie It's confirmed, statement by Jurgen Leyers avail here, http://trance.nu/v3/news_show.php?id=1508 Congrats mp3 rippers, you just fucked up one of our scenes most respectable label.

Tommie- tell me you never downloaded any music file of any kind...

Idiot!

If it weren't for mp3s I wouldn't own half as many of the vinyls from lightning records (and their sub-labels)as I do. I think this great, great loss is down to bad management rather than mp3. Just because mp3s exist doesn't mean all these downloads would translate directly into sales. In my case, I download a lot of music. And I buy all the best stuff on vinyl. So if anything it means I spend more cash on vinyl... not less!

lateRZ,

barryfigiel

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Originally posted by tommie It's confirmed, statement by Jurgen Leyers avail here, http://trance.nu/v3/news_show.php?id=1508 Congrats mp3 rippers, you just fucked up one of our scenes most respectable label.

That was a really really dumb comment, labels do not go down cause of mp3's being spread, as has been said in many posts its bad management that fucked up lightning not the mp3 scene.

Fucking fool

this is sad news
guess the rumours were true
but i dont think we have to worry that much
producers like dj fire, l-vee and certainly mike will eventualy get signed by other labels. cant imagine there will be no labels that want such producers?

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Originally posted by Nige| That was a really really dumb comment, labels do not go down cause of mp3's being spread, as has been said in many posts its bad management that fucked up lightning not the mp3 scene. Fucking fool

i think youve got to understand that mp3s have played their part against this company when it suffered from one its main artists (Airwave) having his whole album ripped to mp3 and distributed before it had even seen light of day within the company, let alone before release. you cant say this was a justified promotional benefit.

i agree that its silly to say mp3s were the sole cause of lightnings problems but it definitely played some part in a way that is affecting all labels. its a stripping of any controlled strategy that the label has in promoting a track, records are promoted and released in a certain way for a reason that is rewarding to both artist and label and is therefore vitally important in the perpetuation of that music.

You cant ignore the fact that many of the biggest artists in this scene are actively speaking out against some aspects of mp3 distribution and i think its something you should not dismiss so easily. Or leap to justify mp3 rips so quickly....

this isnt a snipe at you nige, just using your comments as a basis mate

fuck!

tears in my eyes

Lightening records forever!

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fuck!

tears in my eyes

Lightening records forever!

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http://onderlegger.cinebelblogs.be/

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Originally posted by barryfigiel Tommie- tell me you never downloaded any music file of any kind... Idiot! If it weren't for mp3s I wouldn't own half as many of the vinyls from lightning records (and their sub-labels)as I do. I think this great, great loss is down to bad management rather than mp3. Just because mp3s exist doesn't mean all these downloads would translate directly into sales. In my case, I download a lot of music. And I buy all the best stuff on vinyl. So if anything it means I spend more cash on vinyl... not less! lateRZ, barryfigiel

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Originally posted by Nige| That was a really really dumb comment, labels do not go down cause of mp3's being spread, as has been said in many posts its bad management that fucked up lightning not the mp3 scene. Fucking fool

Wake up and smell the reality. It's obvious that both of you guys is completely without insight in the label business. Sure, some parts might have been bad management, but the majority of the problems regarding Lightning was financial income.

Like someone pointed out earlier, Airwaves album was ripped and "released" on the net before it was even finished. And sure, it's a nice utopia that you actually belive that people will buy cd's. But trust me, they don't.

The largest income for labels used to be compilations, get one of your signed artists onto a well known compilation and that month economy is take care of. Today, no one buys compilations, why? Well, we buy vinyls or download gems of the net.

The situation today is more or less "I Like this artists therefor i will support him by buying his/hers album/vinly", and yes, that works, but it's a extremely small amount of money involved in those releases (exempt if you name is Tijs Verwest and produces under the guise 'Dj Tiesto'). Before mp3 it was "Oh, i need some new tunes, i better buy this new compilation from -insert your favorite label-".

So, is the solution to start buying compilations, probably not since this has been going on for to long time now. The future of trance? Well, worst case scenario is that more and more labels disappears and less quality is releases, why? Simple, no one will be able to live from musical income, at least not within our scene.

So whats left if multi-sized-labels with artists such as Britney Spears and Backstreet boys.

horray.

Sad day(s) for the music industry, but blaming everything on:

a. 99% of your audience which is not part of the mp3 scene
b. 1% of your audience which is part of the mp3 scene in some way (ripping, leeching...)

is simply... dangerous. You could miss something IMO.

There are several points I'd like to bring to the discussion:

1. I think compilations have also been suffering (at least here in Switzerland) of the crazy number of releases on the market... Here we've got a compilation for each big event, and since a compilation is priced between 15 and 20 €... economy not going so well -> people stopped buying them, it's really difficult for record companies, labels AND for party organizers to survive the crisis.

2. People want new stuff. We begin to see here many people turning to DVD. And I think many labels/majors didn't see the opportunity to bring what people are waiting for. I speak for the global market. Music industry didn't follow the trends... one of the only example I can think of is the way ID and T handles his massive raves compilations such as Trance Energy or Rank1 CDs (bundled with DVD) !

3. Again... thinking that mp3 killed the compilations market is not something I can imagine. Label compilations in Switzerland don't exist, mp3 scene in Switzerland does not exist as it does in other countries such as The Netherlands or United Kingdom, and sales dropped dramatically. Don't blame it on Kazaa!...

Cheers,

Romain / tekkno.cc