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DaveSZ
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quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
The way i swear is not flaming... its my way of expressing myself. It's frustration if anything... please dont mistake my profanity for flaming!


I know. I was kidding.


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quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
how convienient. The most objective news source is attacked by Americans. Now to be seen, if US authorities will try to find them and punish them.


Hardly THE MOST objective ... it's partly funded by the government of Qatar. It's just as bad as CNN in that it bears some Arab bias.

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Tranex02
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Hardly THE MOST objective ... it's partly funded by the government of Qatar. It's just as bad as CNN in that it bears some Arab bias.


well, some bias is inevitable in any Tv media....


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quote:
Originally posted by Tranex02
well, some bias is inevitable in any Tv media....


Yes I'm aware of this ... I'm just saying that people shouldn't adopt a holier than thou attitude when they talk of Al-Jazeera. It caters to an Arab audience and thus has Arab biases. To say that it is the bastion of objectivity whereas CNN is complete garbage is erroneous. Both are biased.

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melech_mike
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Toronto (Thornhill)

"LONDON BROIL"

* * *
The Times of London published a slideshow from the Iraqi war (Day Six), featuring 11 military photos and one anti-war protestor. From the hundreds of protestor photos available to news agencies that day, The Times chose a
close-up of a woman donning a headband emblazoned with the words, "KILL JEWS." The photo is captioned simply: "A university student protests against the war in Iraq."

View the slideshow and click on photo #5:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...-624507,00.html

Once the initial shock of the photo wears off, one wonders:

-- Why did The Times' editors choose this particular photo to represent the tens of thousands of worldwide protestors who oppose a conflict between two non-Jewish nations? Is this woman really "protesting against the war in Iraq"? Why did The Times' editors grant her call for genocide such a forum?

-- Why does The Times refrain from a detailed photo caption (unlike the others in the series), referring merely to the subject as "a university student" -- an anonymous, unplaced scholar with Anglo features? In fact, as the AP reported, the woman marched in Islamibad, Pakistan -- one of the world's hotbeds of radical Islam. Link: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/377.asp

HonestReporting encourages members to respond to The Times of London,
requesting their rationale for publishing the loathsome photo in such a context.

Write to:
[email protected]


==== I.S.M.: HUMANITARIAN AID? ====

The International Solidarity Movement -- the pro-Palestinian "humanitarian group" to which the late American college student Rachel Corrie belonged -- is back in the news. On Thursday, the IDF raided the ISM's Jenin office to find a wanted member of the Islamic Jihad sheltered within. The terrorist was arrested; the ISM claimed ignorance.
Read the story at: http://honestreporting.com/a/r/378.asp

This is the same Islamic Jihad that took responsibility for today's
terrorist bombing in Netanya that injured 30 Israelis.


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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Toronto (Thornhill)

"TWO BOMBS, TWO STANDARDS"

* * *
This week's twin Mideast suicide attacks exposed double standards in media coverage. At a checkpoint outside Najaf, an Iraqi army officer killed five American soldiers by blowing himself up in a taxi; in Netanya, a Palestinian ignited his explosive belt at the entrance to a cafe, injuring 50 Israelis.

It is important to note that while the Iraqi attacker targeted soldiers, the Palestinian bomber targeted civilians. The U.S. government makes this key distinction, officially defining terrorism as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets."
http://history.navy.mil/library/gui....htm#definition

The disguising of a car bomb as a taxi in order to kill uniformed soldiers would therefore not constitute terrorism, according to the U.S. government. A heinous war tactic, yes; terrorism, no.

Nonetheless, the same media that has consistently refused to call
Palestinian bombings "terror" is now freely quoting American spokesmen as calling the Iraqi checkpoint bombing "terror." For example:
THE NEW YORK TIMES: "I don't know what motivated this guy to kill
himself," said Capt. Andrew J. Valles, the First Brigade's civil and
military affairs officer. "To me, this is not an act of war. It is
terrorism: a man in a civilian vehicle killing himself at a checkpoint."
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/379.asp

AFP: "We are very concerned about it. It looks and feels like terrorism," said Major General Stanley McChrystal, vice director of operations for the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/380.asp

* * *

The double standard is fully evident in coverage from the Associated
Press. Consider:

- The Associated Press listed the Iraqi attack among other historical
"terror attacks against the U.S. military":
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/381.asp

- Yet the Associated Press coverage of the Netanya blast calls the bomber a “militant” (using "terror" only in direct quotations):
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/382.asp

To question the double standard, send comments to:
[email protected]

(By the way, no word yet from Reuters, whose global news editor Stephen Jukes refuses to apply the word "terror" to Sept. 11, saying: "We all know that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and that Reuters upholds the principle that we do not use the word terrorist."
Source: Washington Post http://honestreporting.com/a/r/383.asp)


---- MORE IRAQI-PALESTINIAN AXIS ----

Ali Jaafar al-Noamani, the Iraqi homicide bomber who killed five U.S.
soldiers, has been honored by Palestinians who renamed the main square in Jenin as "Noamani Square."

The Jerusalem Post quotes a senior Palestinian official in Jenin as
saying: "We want to honor the brave Iraqi officer who carried out the
first suicide attack against the American and British occupiers. We hope there will be more suicide operations in the coming days."
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/384.asp

Meanwhile in Lebanon, Yasser Arafat's Fatah has announced they are sending suicide bombers to Iraq to increase the number of attacks on the coalition forces.
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/385.asp


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"TALE OF TWO CHECKPOINTS"
* * *
On Monday, two days after a checkpoint suicide bomb killed four American soldiers, U.S. forces shot and killed 11 Iraqi family members when their vehicle failed to stop at an army checkpoint. This fateful incident parallels similar events in Israel, where the IDF -- like the Americans -- works the difficult balance between ensuring the safety of its soldiers and avoiding civilian casualties.

But when it comes to press coverage, the parallels end. For nearly three years, Israel has been lambasted in the media for its rules of engagement -- accused of humiliating Palestinians and using excessive force that caused civilian deaths.

Here's a specific example from the Associated Press, February 2002. Under the headline, "Second Pregnant Woman Shot By Israeli Checkpoint Troops," AP gives extensive details of Palestinians victims' ages, names, background, medical condition, and a graphic description of bloody wounds. Readers have to wade 250 words deep into the article before AP mentions the key points -- that the Palestinian car ran a barricade, ignored warning calls, and then attempted a reverse detour around the checkpoint.And only at the very end of the 562-word account is appropriate context provided -- that six IDF soldiers were killed at a similar checkpoint just days before.

This article is cached on a pro-Palestinian website:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/386.asp

Even the U.S. State Department, in its just-released annual Human Rights Report, accuses the IDF of using "excessive force while manning checkpoints... which resulted in many deaths."
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2002/18278.htm

* * *

In covering the Iraqi deaths, however, major media reports -- across the board -- encourage sympathy and understanding for the U.S. checkpoint soldiers' difficult predicament.

For example, The New York Times headline reads: "Failing to Heed G.I.'s, 7 Iraqis Die at Checkpoint"
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/387.asp

Note how The Times places blame on the victims (for "failing to heed
warning"), and rather than mention that U.S. soldiers did the killing, terms the deaths in passive terms ("women and children die").

Could we ever imagine The New York Times reporting a similar
Israeli-Palestinian incident in this way?

More examples of the media showing understanding toward the difficult
American position:

- TIME MAGAZINE: "Their own safety now demands that U.S. and British
forces consider every Iraqi civilian a potential mortal threat."
http://www.time.com/time/world/arti...,439438,00.html

- BBC, quoting an American officer: "If vehicles approach us on the road we may open fire. We need this road open and we can't delay for vehicles that might approach us and might contain suicide bombers."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2907991.stm

- REUTERS: "The United States... has tried hard to avoid civilian
casualties. But soldiers' nerves are stretched thin since a suicide attack killed four U.S. soldiers on Saturday."
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/388.asp

- LOS ANGELES TIMES: "It was yet another example of the bewildering
predicament American troops find themselves in as Iraqi forces disguise themselves as civilians, women are used as human shields and any vehicle driving down the road could be a suicide bomb."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...1,1650227.story

* * *

Many media went even further, prominently quoting the idea that Saddam Hussein himself is to blame for the checkpoints death. For example:

- LOS ANGELES TIMES: "The blood is on the hands of the regime for their decisions and their willingness to use their population this way," said Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, spokesman for Central Command. "If there's a question of morality, it really should go back to the regime."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ome%2Dheadlines

- THE UK INDEPENDENT: "This is yet another incident in a trend of this regime using civilians, in this case innocent women and children, in order to cause harm to coalition forces," said Capt Frank Thorp. "The blood of this incident is on the hands of this regime."
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/389.asp

Has the media ever lent credence to the idea that Yasser Arafat and his dictatorial terror tactics are to be blamed for difficulties endured by Palestinians at checkpoints?

* * *

CONCLUSION:

HonestReporting believes that the media portrayal of U.S. army actions is legitimate. Yes, soldiers are under intense pressure. Soldiers are threatened with suicide bombings, and terrorists who disguise themselves as civilians and use civilian shields. Soldiers are confronting a regime that encourages its citizens to engage in suicide-terror tactics.

Understandably, the Western media consider the difficulties of wartime checkpoint ethics, and is therefore prepared to strike a forgiving pose in the event of accidental civilian deaths.

This yields important conclusions vis-a-vis the media's coverage of
Israel:

1) While the media has consistently portrayed Israeli tactics as
inappropriate, Israeli policy has now apparently been vindicated as
conforming to Western moral standards of combat.

2) The media, it seems, never really objected to the actual tactics... unless it was Israelis pulling the trigger. When an incident occurs in Israel, the media's understanding tone simply disappears.

And this, despite the fact that IDF checkpoints are guarding against
hostile entry to civilian -- not military -- populations.

The conclusion is stark: The media employs a double standard against
Israel.


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Re: Re: Re: Honest Reporting

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
whats up with that?
you think its a joke that 4 kids will be growing up without parents?
you think its a joke that while this family was sitting down to eat friday night meal, they were executed?

why the fuck are you rolling you fuckin eyes?


Basically he's saying boo hoo hoo, and that its part of reallity. its fact of hatred between two countries, and that nobody is safe. Women, men, and children are always at risk when two countries are in turmoil against eachother.


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quote:
Originally posted by tranceaholic
hey mike...what exactly is your goal on posting everyday in the political forum dude..showing how great israel and how crap the arabs are..we get it dude..we get it..ISRAEL=Understood country..ARABS=bunch of cry babies and all is whats wrong with the world..there happy now..everyday same topic israel is this israel that..arabs this arabs that..we get the point now can we discusss other issues..for a change


LOL! Dont you think its the other way around. Arabs=understood country...Isreal=Bunch of cry babies. Bah, what a waste of time and thread space.


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ZinG
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Honest Reporting

quote:
Originally posted by TheDemon
Basically he's saying boo hoo hoo, and that its part of reallity. its fact of hatred between two countries, and that nobody is safe. Women, men, and children are always at risk when two countries are in turmoil against eachother.


Only one country bud...

and if they keep this shit up (past 48 hours of terror), they'll never get what they want. Perhaps terror is their primary objective.


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BYSTANDERS TO TERROR

The past two days have been among the most brutal in the Palestinian campaign of terror against Israel — five suicide bombs in a mere forty-eight hours have left 14 dead and scores wounded. The latest attack, just hours ago in Afula, was apparently perpetrated by a female terrorist who, halted by a security guard, detonated herself at the entrance to a crowded shopping mall.

While Israelis mourn the deceased and pray for the wounded, the media have begun in tandem to employ a disturbing new term to describe Israeli terror victims — "bystanders." On Sunday, The New York Times issued a report on the Jerusalem bus attack that began with the curious statement:

"The new Middle East peace effort stalled today, after a barrage of four Palestinian attacks killed nine bystanders…"

The Associated Press issued a similar report that day, stating:

"In 93 suicide attacks since the current violence erupted in September 2000, 357 bystanders have been killed."

[AP also used the term "bystanders" to refer to terror victims in Morocco and Saudi Arabia.]

In common usage, a "bystander" is an individual peripheral to the central action in a given event — i.e., a bystander to a terrorist attack is not the intended target. The New York Times and AP, by describing Israeli terror victims as "bystanders," imply that civilian deaths are not the specific goal of Palestinian suicide bombers. This is patently false.

There is a larger issue operating here. The media have consistently refused to call Palestinian attacks "terror." Mislabeling the victims as "bystanders" grants license to the media to mislabel the perpetrators as "militants" or "activists," instead of "terrorists."

This matter was addressed in the last HonestReporting communique, which noted The New York Times' omission of Palestinian attacks from its special section on world terror.

[The National Review cited HonestReporting's research: "There's also the curious fact that many sophisticated types don't regard terrorism directed against Israelis the way they regard terrorism directed against other victims. They may not even believe that slaughtering Israeli civilians is terrorism. For proof of that, you need go no further than the pages of the New York Times. As HonestReporting.com has noted, a Times special section on May 15 listed terrorist attacks around the world - from Saudi Arabia to Chechnya to the Philippines. Conspicuously absent from the 'complete coverage' were any mentions of terrorist attacks in Israel. (It's not just under Jayson Blair's byline where you can read distortions of reality.)"]

Joining The Times once again, Associated Press today published a list of "Recent Terrorist Attacks Around the World" since 1998. None of the attacks listed occurred in Israel.

Comments to AP: [email protected][/email]

Comments to The New York Times: [email][email protected]

HonestReporting encourages members to monitor your local media for any attempts to imply that Israeli civilians are somehow not the target of Palestinian terror, nor victims of "world terror."

--- REAL BYSTANDERS ---

The proper use of the term "bystander" appeared in a Sunday AP report worthy of broader international coverage in its own right:

"In the West Bank city of Nablus, Palestinian militiamen dragged a suspected informer [to Israel] into the main square and killed him with several shots to the head as about 200 people watched, witnesses said. One bystander said the gunmen forced their victim to kneel with his hands tied behind his back, then executed him."

Commentator James Taranto's response to this barbaric report: "Perhaps the time isn't yet ripe for a Palestinian state."


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