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Originally posted by dj tek do u know any pro dj that uses burnt mp3s @ gigs? i personally dont think thats cool since they have access to so many tunes "legitly" so i think its sorta the easy way out, and u aint helpin the scene either..anyone?

So you're telling me that buying songs off the net and then burning them on a CD and playing them at shows is wrong?

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Tis is the biggest piece of bullsit ive read in a thread my god.

If an mp3(320kbps)/wav is recorded directly at the source, straight from the dat, it will sound just as good if not better than anny vinyl.

its all digital anyways. The problem is a lot of mp3are converted from the DAT to vinyl to 320 to 192 back to 320 and each step loses sound quality.

i guarantee you that if you put it on mp3 direct it would sound as good.

I know for a fact a lot of producers use pc only software to record etc, are u trying to say that its gonna sound better AFTER they put it on vinyl? If 2 exact same systems were used, there would be no difference.

Unless you are a dog (they have better hearing) you are lying if you still think vinyl sounds better vs. direct 320kbps mp3.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Tis is the biggest piece of bullsit ive read in a thread my god. If an mp3(320kbps)/wav is recorded directly at the source, straight from the dat, it will sound just as good if not better than anny vinyl. its all digital anyways. The problem is a lot of mp3are converted from the DAT to vinyl to 320 to 192 back to 320 and each step loses sound quality. i guarantee you that if you put it on mp3 direct it would sound as good. I know for a fact a lot of producers use pc only software to record etc, are u trying to say that its gonna sound better AFTER they put it on vinyl? If 2 exact same systems were used, there would be no difference. Unless you are a dog (they have better hearing) you are lying if you still think vinyl sounds better vs. direct 320kbps mp3.

Well said. I'd like to see anyone who thinks otherwise to stand in a club and take the Pepsi challange to tell the difference for the same song played on vinyl and by a 320 rip.

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Originally posted by Magnus Well said. I'd like to see anyone who thinks otherwise to stand in a club and take the Pepsi challange to tell the difference for the same song played on vinyl and by a 320 rip.

As that quote i posted says 256 is "virtually indistinguishable" from the full quality......

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Tis is the biggest piece of bullsit ive read in a thread my god. If an mp3(320kbps)/wav is recorded directly at the source, straight from the dat, it will sound just as good if not better than anny vinyl. its all digital anyways. The problem is a lot of mp3are converted from the DAT to vinyl to 320 to 192 back to 320 and each step loses sound quality. i guarantee you that if you put it on mp3 direct it would sound as good. I know for a fact a lot of producers use pc only software to record etc, are u trying to say that its gonna sound better AFTER they put it on vinyl? If 2 exact same systems were used, there would be no difference. Unless you are a dog (they have better hearing) you are lying if you still think vinyl sounds better vs. direct 320kbps mp3.

the reason why people say vinyl sounds better then a 320kbps mp3 or even full-cd quality wav, is due to the inherent analog quality of vinyl.....in this i mean that vinyl actually has a slight high frequency roll off at the 15-20 kHz range, in the range where u can't really hear but its there. an analog vinyl recording isn't as flat across the spectrum as a digital recording would be, but it is precisely this difference that adds to the warmth of vinyl and other analog recordings which is why people like it so much. a lot of times, a full quality digital recording is just too "clean" for our ears...you don't want to hear each click and pop of the kick drum...you want the oomph.

basically so....vinyl sounds "better" then digital recordings, but if you want to get technical, a 24/196 dvd quality recording is better "quality" then vinyl...hence the mixup between vinyl is better, cd is better quality...etc. comparing the technical quality of cd and vinyl is a toss-up in my mind, but to most, comparing the listening quality of cd and vinyl, vinyl wins in most cases.

hope that kind of makes it clear without getting too technical...

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Again, the 2001 thread posted here is extremely informative. Some very knowlegdeble postings there.

On the argument weither mp3s should be used by DJs, I say that it's probably going to happen more and more and there is nothing we can do but support DJs that use more vinyl. As a bedroom DJ I use many mp3s but I find vinyl to be much more 'fun'. It is easier to beatmatch with as well as manipulate. I also think the sound is better; the acoustics just seem to be more emphasised. I like the description from the 2001 thread that the sound from vinyl is "warmer". There is a couple explinations for this in the thread but I like this one:

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The 'warmer' sound of vinyl (and analogue tape) is because the clipping nature is non-linear. This makes peak signals rounded instead of square which emphasises the 3rd Harmonic of the signal whilst reducing the others and that's the warm sound.

Also to clear up one point a bit more:

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Originally posted by sektile final scratch is a product from stanton, you get 2 vinyls that you literally 'load' mp3s into and you can cue, scratch, cut like a normal vinyl (apparently) - now i havent used it, but ive read a lot of good things about it, for one, Richie Hawtin uses it. but yeah, the plus is obviously being able to have a laptop at a gig with thousands of mp3s...

There isn't a whole lot of info on the Final Scratch website but I know that you don't "literally 'load' mp3s into" vinyls. You hook up the Final Scratch amplifier to your two tables and then connect it two your PC. I'm assuming that the Final Scratch amp is able to interpret your cueing of the 'specific vinyls'. The vinyls probably have information encoded on them to tell the amp when your are reversing/slowing/speeding/playing the vinyl. That way you can use the more natural and popular way of cueing and pitching with the turntables to play your collection of mp3s/wav/'any digital format' on your PC. PvD is one of main promoters of this way of mixing. I saw him live @ Premier in Seattle using this and I must say was one of the best performances I've seen. Ofcourse the sound quality that is theoretically better with vinyl is not there, but I couldn't really tell and PvD was cutting up tracks left and right brilliantly. He was using melodies from some tracks over the basses of others, leaving tracks quickly and extending others when necessary, and I was thoroughly impressed.

I still prefer vinyl DJs actually, but PvD and others may find a niche with the FS and I have no objection to it. Because when it comes right down to it, it's all about the experience you get from the DJs performance and that has to do with how comfortable and experienced he/she is with his/her medium.

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Perhaps this is why DavidScott didn't like this thread.

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Originally posted by DavidScott I am a DJ and I spin only CD. That was not my first choice, but that is how is happened. WIthout MP3, I could not do what I do. I still support the labels and buy CD compliations and CD releases of my favorite artists. As for labels blaming MP3 downloading, that is a complete cop-out. The fact of the matter is if a label puts out quality music, then they will sell. I like many of the tracks that Bonzai has put out in the past, maybe their music is not as attractive to some as it was in the past. The same with some other labels. I understand labels and producers having issues with downloads, but unfortunately that is the way this comunity works. That is the way we live today. One good thing comes out of it..People are listening to their music, enjoying the productions and spreading the love and passion for the music. Maybe it is time for lables to come up with alternative ways to generate money. Planning events, parties and festivals is a good way to generate money and get your name out. This message may piss some people off, and since I don't know how to run a label, my words and ideas may be far off, but to me, this music is spread in various ways. To me, if the music is getting out there, that is the most important thing. If anyone agres or disagrees, please let me know your thoughts D

im sorry but im not buying mp3s. I want the fuckin cubase files, Midi's & accapellas, then we can talk.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 im sorry but im not buying mp3s. I want the fuckin cubase files, Midi's & accapellas, then we can talk.

Um.. most of the time you can't get these.. so.. uh.. what does this have to do with the discussion?

As a n00b, I'd expect people who've been around this forum for more than a couple years to leave their "I'm better than you because of.." bull-shit at the main page. Maybe thats too much to ask on this forum.

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Originally posted by djmetatron As a n00b, I'd expect people who've been around this forum for more than a couple years to leave their "I'm better than you because of.." bull-shit at the main page. Maybe thats too much to ask on this forum.

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Originally posted by b i n k u n the reason why people say vinyl sounds better then a 320kbps mp3 or even full-cd quality wav, is due to the inherent analog quality of vinyl.....in this i mean that vinyl actually has a slight high frequency roll off at the 15-20 kHz range, in the range where u can't really hear but its there. an analog vinyl recording isn't as flat across the spectrum as a digital recording would be, but it is precisely this difference that adds to the warmth of vinyl and other analog recordings which is why people like it so much. a lot of times, a full quality digital recording is just too "clean" for our ears...you don't want to hear each click and pop of the kick drum...you want the oomph. basically so....vinyl sounds "better" then digital recordings, but if you want to get technical, a 24/196 dvd quality recording is better "quality" then vinyl...hence the mixup between vinyl is better, cd is better quality...etc. comparing the technical quality of cd and vinyl is a toss-up in my mind, but to most, comparing the listening quality of cd and vinyl, vinyl wins in most cases. hope that kind of makes it clear without getting too technical...

But if those ranges cant be produced digitally, then nowadays this is a non issue because *nearly* all tracks are produced using mainly digitial.

You are the #1 candidate for the pepsi challenge.

and i bet a shitload vinyl is pressed from some guy bringin a cd into the factory or whatever, and them cutting the vinyl from that.

Unless you are dead sure there is ZERO digital in the mix from original studio --> vinyl. this is a dead issue.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03

Were you not saying that this discussion is moot because you don't use mp3s yourself?

I dunno, maybe I took your post wrong, it's pretty late.