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Originally posted by occrider A) Of course you r going to believe the Jewish government B) we're going to believe that this is a lie and that they were driven out of their homelands. (A)----------->THE TRUTH<-----------(B) I don't understand why people find this concept so hard to believe. Both sides simply have good enough evidence to show that neither are completely correct.

excuse me for being a bit arrogant but there isnt much evidence showing that the refugees were forced to leave or done so under threats. furthermore i tend to belive a steady, free, open, and accountable government, more so then the word of a group of people, especially ones with a motive behind their gripe. thats why, imho, i think its more like this:

(A)--->THE TRUTH<-------------------(B)


ps. i wouldnt call it a 'jewish' government. although the majority of the parliment is jewish there are non-jews in it. call it the 'israeli' goverenment. just as i wouldnt call the american government a 'christian' government.

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If God is the answer, it must have been a very stupid question.

Last edited by Izzy on Mar-25-2003 at 04:16

edit: sorry double post

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Originally posted by Izzy excuse me for being a bit arrogant but there isnt much evidence showing that the refugees were forced to leave or done so under threats. furthermore i tend to belive a steady, free, open, and accountable government, more so then the word of a group of people, especially ones with a motive behind their gripe. thats why, imho, i think its more like this: (A)--->THE TRUTH<-------------------(B) ps. i wouldnt call it a 'jewish' government. although the majority of the parliment is jewish there are non-jews in it. call it the 'israeli' goverenment. just as i wouldnt call the american government a 'christian' government.

Well I semi-agree with you in this respects. I do think the there is enough evidence to support possible claims that the massacres at deir yassin did occur. Instead of A) and B) beign the refugee problem I should have labelled them Israel's side and Palestinian side.

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Originally posted by occrider Well I semi-agree with you in this respects. I do think the there is enough evidence to support possible claims that the massacres at deir yassin did occur. Instead of A) and B) beign the refugee problem I should have labelled them Israel's side and Palestinian side.

true, although there might be enough evidence to support a claim that the massacres at deir yassin occurred, it is the single and only argument that is constantly given. i belive in order to charactarize an entire movement, such as the threating and forceful expulsion of palestinians, there must be multiple points and proofs to come about. if at dier yassin 1000 refugees (im not sure of the figures) had been wrongly handled what about the 471,000 other refugees? one isolated case should not ruin the reality of the whole.

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Last edited by Izzy on Mar-25-2003 at 04:42

Izzy, i have a non-sexual crush on you!

Love your posts!
As always, they have something relavent to offer to the debate.

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Originally posted by Izzy true, although there might be enough evidence to support a claim that the massacres at deir yassin occurred, it is the single and only argument that is constantly given. i belive in order to charactarize an entire movement, such as the threating and forceful expulsion of palestinians, there must be multiple points and proofs to come about. if at dier yassin 1000 refugees (im not sure of the figures) had been wrongly handled what about the 471,000 other refugees? one isolated case should not ruin the reality of the whole.

Certainly not to account for the other 471,000 refugees. I'm a firm believer that many simply evacuated to clear the way for an Arab invasion. But you can't discount that the spread of word of mouth about the incident served to frighten and confirm the premature beliefs of the existing population that they needed to escape to save their lives.

"The precise number of victims of the massacre is unknown. The International Committee of the Red Cross counted 2,750. Israeli figures, based on IDF intelligence, cite a figure of 700-800, a similar figure being brought by the Lebanese authorities and most Western sources, and occasional reports go from as little as 300 to as much as 3,000."


I was wondering why Ariel Sharon was never tried for these crimes against humanity.

The things that you people say about what happened to the Arabs. This is DISGRACEFUL. You people have nothing to be fucking proud about. And to you Melech Mike and your wonderful IDF that you are so proud of ....

READ.

"Near a south Lebanese village occupied by Israeli troops, Lieutenant Daniel Pinto, the acting commander of an Israeli infantry company, strangled four Lebanese peasants whose bodies, tied hand and foot, wre later found in a well. Another Israeli officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Arye Sadeh, ordered the execution of one of his battalions prisoners during the first days of the advance into Lebanon. Pinto was court-martialled for his atrocity but the Israeli chief of staff, General Rafael Eitan, reduced the sentence to two years and then ordered Pintos release. Sadeh received two and a half years imprisonment and reduction in rank to major, a sentence that was later raised by an appeals court to five years and reduction to private. Eitan restored the original sentence. His specific orders to the Israeli army in 'Operation Litani' were 'to annihilate the terrorists and their infrastructure"

From page 132 of Pity the Nation by Robert Fisk. A book which anyone who wants to know about the middle east would find edifying reading. The author has been witness to a lot of atrocities of which Israel has committed MORE than its fair share.

In 1948-1949 the Jews deliberately decided to ethnically cleanse the Arabs. NO IFS NO BUTS NO FUCKING MAYBES.

You want proof Rabin specifically talks about it in his biography. He was an army commander who ethnically cleansed the town of Lydda (or it could be Ramle)

For original source material, Righteous Victims by Benny Morris provides quote, after quote, after quote, after quote from Jewish leaders during the wars saying EXACTLY what their intentions are.

You people cant hide what you did any more than the Turks can hide what they did to the Armenians.

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Originally posted by ZinG go back to school dude

Lol, I second that man.

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Originally posted by ZinG That's called Zionist brainwash interpretation now go back to school

Oh my fucking god! LOL, hahaha!

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Originally posted by melech_mike Israel was proclaimed a country on May 14th, 1948 you stupid fuck!!! WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU COME FROM? Does anyone else have a problem with this bullshit? Hahaha, you kill me bud.... how the fuck did you get to religion from all that we've posted? Your're a fuckin weirdo

DUDE, NO ONE FUCKING CARES!

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