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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit lol it seems funny but i hope thats not why you debate.. to get satisfaction that you are smarter than everyone else.. The reason to debate is to come to a resolution that would best satisfy both parties. Bring out the points from both sides and proove your case in a moral and just method. EG saying that the arabs are proving to the world that they are all bad is a pointless flamming generalization.. an argument that will never have any basis I say the point to debating is to find a sutable resolution Im hoping there was some rhetoric in your answer occrider

Well ahlamalek was asking what possible gain he could get from debating ... I was merely providing one benefit hehe. And no I'm not on these forums to prove that I'm smarter than anybody else, I'm just saying that there's some satisfaction in making a coherent argument to somebody and the best they can do is to flame you . The reason I'm here is to break misconceptions. Other people's misconceptions and especially my own.

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Originally posted by occrider I agree melech generalizes a lot but if you notice his posts there are two sides really. He starts off with an unbiased question. For example the legitimacy of Palestinian claims to a state when they never clamored for such a state before Israel was created (don't respond to this I'm just using it as an example). I don't have th post right in front of me but it didn't seem offensive, it wasn't inflamatory, he was simply asking for an intelligent reply. What typically happens then is that he gets the usual responce from non "regulars" who post stupid crap that more or less infuriates mike. The flaming progresses such that by the time that the "regulars" are able to respond they are upset with Melech's flaming that they begin to flame melech for what he said. Melech then gets more excited and begins to flame back and so on. It seems like he's not intolerant at all to other races, since it seems that genuine malice is absent from his posts. He just seems impassioned for sticking up for Israel. Would a melech "opponent" care to comment on this? It's just something that I've noticed. At any rate there are a lot of other people that generalize just as much. However, you have to admit that it seems like melech has toned things down quite a bit as of late and I find that many of his posts are academic. Btw sorry for talking in front of your face melech ... just giving reasons for why I don't think you're racist Edit: Essentially I'm saying that melech deserves a voice on these forums as much as any of you or me. Yes he holds dear to his beliefs but I don't think that he satisfies the criteria of somebody getting banned such as Tiesto. Tiesto relied on flaming to get all of his point across, Melech doesn't. Much like anybody else, a grain of salt should be taken when listening to anybody here.

Much appreciated!
Good analysis of my character Occrider.
Wouldn't say its perfect, but you hit a few nails right on!
Thanks.

PS 2 every TA - I'm not racist!!!!! I just dislike stupid, ignorant people!! You could take that to the bank!

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Originally posted by melech_mike PS 2 every TA - I'm not racist!!!!! I just dislike stupid, ignorant people!! You could take that to the bank!

anyone can easily say they arent a racist but proove to me that your not.. and stop spreading arab hate propoganda


also istead of calling people idiots and morons try to rebuttle in a more civilized way.. haha you complain about the iraqis being uncivilized and wanting for them to change their flag.. you are acting like a primate with your rebutles.. cant you at least control your temper.. its not like the letters on the screen are going to come out and hit you


have some decency and respect for all PEOPLE

and watch your mouth when it comes to generalizing.. because it gets racial very easily and i from what i read from your posts that appears to be your intention

For whatever reason you choose, I respect your wishes not to participate in Mike's debates ... But how can you expect him to not open with bias? He has to show his stand, would you like him to contradict his own saying? I would not expect anyone in here to start a debate completely neautral since we have our opinions and this is where we show them.

About racism, I'll have to disagree about banning someone if he is presenting racist points while obeying manner-codes ... Just as in real life, you should not be punished for being racist unless you act on it. If someone presents points as to why all ... Latin speaking countries are less intelligent/ are parasites/ can't run their own affairs I will let him be. Once he starts flaming is where I would draw the line.

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If his racism is offensive to others than I think that they should be banned. But like I said before if they articulate their views in an intelligent manner I don't think they should be banned. I don't think the goal is to eliminate perspectives, I think the goal should be to eliminate disruptions.

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Originally posted by oDrori About racism, I'll have to disagree about banning someone if he is presenting racist points while obeying manner-codes ... Just as in real life, you should not be punished for being racist unless you act on it. If someone presents points as to why all ... Latin speaking countries are less intelligent/ are parasites/ can't run their own affairs I will let him be. Once he starts flaming is where I would draw the line.

Where do I start with this... you are so wrong, your words caution what has put some guy named Adolf Hitler in power not so long ago.

Wow!

Have a nice day!

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Where do I start with this... you are so wrong, your words caution what has put some guy named Adolf Hitler in power not so long ago. Wow! Have a nice day!

Agreed!

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Where do I start with this... you are so wrong, your words caution what has put some guy named Adolf Hitler in power not so long ago. Wow! Have a nice day!

Heir Hitler didn't make it to the top himself, he had support.

If someone would post racist points in here he would quickly be faced with and someone would probably prove him wrong... If not, then our ignorance alone, IMO means that we do not care enough for someone to read his post and get convinced... Hence we deserve it.

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Originally posted by oDrori Heir Hitler didn't make it to the top himself, he had support. If someone would post racist points in here he would quickly be faced with and someone would probably prove him wrong... If not, then our ignorance alone, IMO means that we do not care enough for someone to read his post and get convinced... Hence we deserve it.

racism doesnt need to BE PROVEN wrong

it is wrong in the first place odori.. i understand where you comming from saying that everyone has their own opinion about things

but people are individuals.. racism is a general remark made towards a race based on a stereotype

eg all arabs are terrorists, all jews are cheap etc etc.. THOSE are racist remarks and are intolerable so YES someone should be banned for making racist comments


and im surprised that you are agreeing with this melech because you're the reason why i am mentioning racism in the first place.. could it be that you've turned over a new leaf?

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit and im surprised that you are agreeing with this melech because you're the reason why i am mentioning racism in the first place.. could it be that you've turned over a new leaf?

This is the same leaf i've always been! whatever thats suppoed to mean.

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Originally posted by melech_mike This is the same leaf i've always been! whatever thats suppoed to mean.

its suppose to mean that youve change your idealist attitude towards these issues.. posting one sided propoganda mainly

arabs arent that bad.. I still love you for who you are haha

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Originally posted by oDrori Heir Hitler didn't make it to the top himself, he had support. If someone would post racist points in here he would quickly be faced with and someone would probably prove him wrong... If not, then our ignorance alone, IMO means that we do not care enough for someone to read his post and get convinced... Hence we deserve it.

I agree. If we are so impotent that we cannot allow someone to voice their opinion merely because we strongly disagree, then we ought to ask ourselves why. It is the manner in which those opinions are expressed that ought to be the sole and exclusive domain of the moderators.