I think we're discussing different things here. We're talking about high intensity exercise or moderate exercise for long periods but you're covering something different.

EDIT - Ok now we're on the same page. Ignore the above comment.

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Originally posted by Domesticated However, I'm still not convinced. If what you were saying is correct, athletes like middle distance runners or sprint cyclists would have relatively high body fat levels because they consistently push themselves to over 85% of maximum heart rate during training. In fact, most of their training aims to be above this level. They therefore should have very little muscle, no?

Not quite. Only up to a point where it doesn't negatively affect their performance. They are performance atheletes and their job is to know when to stop and alter their training. It's also why they have nutritionists and physios who monitor them.

It's hard to use athletes as examples because they are specialised in what they do and their bodies and extremely well developed for their particular sport.

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Originally posted by Domesticated If, however, you had been lifting weights for a period before doing that intense period of cardio, the loss of muscle mass would be due to the fact that you stopped doing weights to maintain your 'unnatural', 'non-resting' mass, not that you had started doing cardio.

I had been lifting weights prior to this spell, but I didn't stop doing them and it takes more than three months after stopping weights to lose the muscle I did in that time anyway. Cardio does not simply burn off fat and leave muscle with no complications.

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Firstly, who said that keeping muscle was important to this discussion? Secondly, as I said, if you're an average joe with a potbelly and no elevated muscle mass from training, doing cardio of any sort shouldn't decrease muscle mass. On the contrary, after very intense periods of training and racing during my athletic career, I used to see visible gains in the size of certain muscles. I never used to do weights of any sort back then either.

Fledz asked how to burn fat, not lose weight generally. So avoiding muscle-loss would be integral to the question. Although I don't know why you're operating on this "average joe" assumption, given the people involved in this discussion.

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u guys are arguing about the best cardio and training programs, but neglecting the most important part of the weight loss/muscle gaining equation...Diet! Everyone knows how to work out and lose weight but figuring out how to eat is the hard part. Post your diets.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY u guys are arguing about the best cardio and training programs, but neglecting the most important part of the weight loss/muscle gaining equation...Diet! Everyone knows how to work out and lose weight but figuring out how to eat is the hard part. Post your diets.

this is the workout thread. not the diet thread.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...3&forumid=16&s=

working out goes hand in hand with diet will.

pie had a really good diet plan about a year ago i think. i need to get on that train. i eat well except for the damn sweets at tea time and after dinner...whether it's a cookie, a couple pieces of chocolate or hot chocolate i consume too much sugar for my own good.

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Originally posted by chimera66 working out goes hand in hand with diet will. pie had a really good diet plan about a year ago i think. i need to get on that train. i eat well except for the damn sweets at tea time and after dinner...whether it's a cookie, a couple pieces of chocolate or hot chocolate i consume too much sugar for my own good.

haha, true that. My problem is I drink too much. Been having cocktails every day lately. empty cals can screw up things but my diet is great. Tried a bunch of plans but cyclic keto works wonders for me. I can still make gains and it keeps me lean.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Post your diets.

07:00: Almonds & yoghurt
10:00: Cheese & piece of fruit
13:00: Sardines in oil & Vitawheats (wholegrain cracker type things)
16:00: Almonds & oats (pre-workout)
19:00: Steak/chicken & vegetables (this is PWO, so you must include some starch carbs, such as sweet potato)
22:00: Cottage cheese (before bed)

I eat the same thing, every day, at the same times. This way, if your diet isn't working, you can tweak it and know what is going on. Furthermore, if you find yourself getting hungry at some point during the day, but not others, you can take calories from other meals and put them around the times you get hungry.

In following the diet above, you should be aiming for 33% of your calories from fat, 33% from carbs and 33% from protein. The fat acts like a buffer and slows the digestion of the carbs. It's also a longer-lasting fuel source in itself.

If you guys aren't eating cottage cheese before bed, you should start. It is, hands down, the best food to have before sleeping - it takes about 6 hours to digest.

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

I really cannot be fucked to strictly regulate my diet. That's when the whole workout thing goes from being a pastime to an obsession, because it starts dominating the rest of your life.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I really cannot be fucked to strictly regulate my diet. That's when the whole workout thing goes from being a pastime to an obsession, because it starts dominating the rest of your life.

It looks hard, but it is a hell of a lot easier than going ad-hoc, trust me.

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by chimera66 working out goes hand in hand with diet will.

This statement is so true the word truth is not sufficient to make it any justice

As for my diet...

Late Breakfast: Skimmed milk + fruit
Lunch: Lira's Special Ramen or Spaghetti Al Sugo with vegetables and cheese
Mid-afternoon snack: 6 biscuits and a fruit or 18 Cashew Nuts
Before Working Out: Endurox R4
Dinner: Veggie sammich and or Lira's Special Diet Ramen
Supper: Spaghetti Al Sugo
Before bed: Skimmed Milk + Fruit + Whey Protein

As you can see, I'ma bulk up!

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